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26 Oct 2023 at 07:36 UTC
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2 Feb 2024 at 08:50 UTC
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Hi, dear community
Back in 2022-2023 Drupal community did a good job of placing "We stand with Ukraine" to frontpage of Drupal.org
The proof from https://web.archive.org/web/20230221013107/https://www.drupal.org/ web archive
Now it is gone
Can we return a banner please, while support is very much needed?
War is not over, russians are still committing crimes against Ukrainian nation
Posted in Twitter https://twitter.com/podarok/status/1717450204918501718
Posted in Facebook of "Drupal Ukraine Community" https://www.facebook.com/groups/drupal.ua/posts/10161074982545218
Posted in LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7123209821411004417/
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podarokPosted in Twitter https://twitter.com/podarok/status/1717450204918501718
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volegerWe still need your support. Turn banner back, please.
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bohartA lot of Ukrainian Drupal developers (with thousands of other Ukrainians) are fighting for the safety of Europe and the whole globe RIGHT NOW.
Any support is valuable for them. War is not over. Please return this banner back.
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bzw_sevenDrupal.org was one of the first places where "We stand with Ukraine" has been a clear position. And it matters!
War is not over, and any kind of support is and will be appreciated!
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bardiuk commented🤬
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ribel➕🇺🇦
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jura.khrapunov commentedCommunity support matters, please reinstate the banner
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oligerd commentedWar is not over. We still need support, please return this banner back.
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abrammFirst, they vandalized Ukrainian translation in Ubuntu.
Now the world starts normalizing murdering Ukrainians like it's normal.
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Ihor Ukhan commentedTurn the banner back, please! War is still going.
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usingsession commentedWar is still going.
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Valeriy Yakovyshyn commentedUkrainians are still getting killed. Please, do not deprecate this topic.
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avpadernoSite moderators cannot change what is shown on the front page. This is a task for somebody who has more control over banners or blocks (most probably, somebody who is part of the Drupal Association staff).
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reflie commentedI strongly agree that the "We stand with Ukraine" banner should be reinstated. The war persists, and this is a critical moment for continued support. Let's ensure people are aware and can contribute if they can.
#StandWithUkraine
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sardis commentedUkrainians still need help, we're not out of woods just yet. So i think it is only fair and respectful towards them to keep the banner.
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#StandWithUkraine
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cainaru+ My Ukrainian relatives on my dad’s side are still under threat, the war is not over yet. Let’s not become desensitized please
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anatolij zajika commented+ I understand that you are tired. But if Ukraine falls, war will be on the doorstep of the EU. You are tired of the banner, and we have bombs falling on our heads.
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pingwin4eg+ I would say this is still critical to support Ukraine until the aggressor is fully defeated. Please, return the banner.
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vselivanov+ The war is not over. We need community support
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kolesnikoff commented+
And, unfortunately, the #StandWithUkraine banner was silently and chicken-heartedly removed from the Composer as well https://github.com/composer/packagist/commit/d394c8de05843d8f7789e6b37215c7a173590f5f.
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tim d. commentedThe Drupal Association made the decision to rotate messages on the D.org landing page. We must be able to message multiple project- and community-related social causes in this particular space. The rotation of a message here does not indicate a change in our position for any given cause, which in this case is still firmly in support of Ukraine against Russian aggression.
A year and half ago, when Russia invaded Ukraine, the Drupal Association Board of Director's made the unprecedented decision to take a public position on the war and highlight it on the website and at DrupalCons. Such action was prompted by the shock of the invasion and the knowledge of how large the Drupal community in Ukraine is. The war continues, as does the support of the Drupal Association for the Ukrainian Drupal community.
Given the requests made here, the Drupal Association will look into how we can continue to demonstrate our support for Ukraine, while understanding that there are other conflicts all over the globe that affect our communities. We are a global community and want to find a way to highlight the issues that affect our many communities around the world- while at the same time knowing that is not within our mission or frankly within our capability to be a global anti-war advocacy organization.
We ask for your patience as we think through this issue further. And I personally apologize for not communicating our plans and reasoning proactively, now realizing how such a change without explanation can cause stress.
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rszrama commentedThanks for weighing in, Tim. Very clear, and I appreciate the DA's continued posture of support for our friends and colleagues in Ukraine. 🙏🏼
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vlad.dancerHi @Tim.
The question is not that this is a small step and it does not solve anything.
The question is whether there is a power of unity in the community and to realize that being drops when we are together we have great power.
Unfortunately, it can also work the other way.
And if one project refuses, and then another, and so on, then the third one will think that maybe not now, and then someone from another field will look at open source and think - Oh! Then maybe they shouldn't support Ukraine anymore.
Event if I feel tired sometimes I don't stop donating and supporting our country's army in difficult times. No! I can't even imagine how it can be otherwise!
Moreover, one of my clients (being a student) donates $100 every month to support Ukraine. I also know many other examples from the Drupal Ukrainian community where clients help to buy/search for drones, cars, medical supplies, and much more. This is inspiring and gives examples of support to others.
At the beginning of the war, Upwork sent a letter saying that they were very concerned and were monitoring the situation in Ukraine, but they had no concrete steps to support, only words. Only after many Ukrainians signed a petition did they start blocking businesses operating in russia. I hope that the power was in the petition and not in the imposition of sanctions by partners or governments.
Big businesses have an audience, and when they are silent, I don't know what they are counting on. That the war will end on its own and won't reach you? Well, indirectly, it will.
But here and now I have not seen any attempt from your side to find a compromise on the issue.
For example. Show a support banner (the same size as the cookie banner) on the issues and documentation pages.
Tim, I don't know how long you've been with the Drupal Community, but I think many of the people who have commented on this post have been helping to distribute/translate/improve Drupal (including financially) for 10+ years. And when it comes to a little help with a banner, it looks disrespectful for such a level of organization not to do it.
I hope that you will reconsider your capabilities and priorities and find a way to support global law and justice. If you don't have the resources to implement this, our Drupal Ukraine community will help you with this.
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avpadernoComment #158
vlad.dancerNo reason were provided by @apaderno for lowering the priority, so setting back the status to critical.
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podarok@apaderno - could you provide a reason for Critical->Normal?
Does it mean when russian bombs would be falling on Brescia we should treat that as Normal then?
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podarok@Tim D
Thank you so much for your collective effort in putting words to this thread on behalf of Drupal Association
The problem here is - that in order to get support - we need to push the Drupal community, because as the fact, it is reactive. Unfortunately - not proactive.
In order to get support removed - it is very proactive and silent. Surprise.
Let me make it clear.
The Banner was removed silently, without any notification about your strategy or tactics.
Let me make it more straight - Banner is not asking anything except to go to the blog post and read the message. It is not forcing people or putting any obligations. It was added not proactively to the frontpage back in 2022. It was added because we, the Drupal Ukrainian Community, were yelling and crying all around on LinkedIn, Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram.
I do remember words of Dries about takers vs givers.
In our case, we are asking for the Drupal community to help us find givers. We are not asking you to help us with funds directly. We are relying on the fact that Drupal.org is a very traffic-heavy site and a lot of people, open-minded people are visiting the site, which can help us to withstand genocide in the end.
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podarokI guess this component is better
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podarokIn addition to the above
From https://dri.es/state-of-drupal-presentation-april-2022
The fact is
Drupal, your team #6, which is TOP6 in terms of the number of contributions, is bleeding, and dying.
You are loosing one of your shoulders, community. Significant one.
We are unable to organise Drupal Camp in Ukraine, because of the risk of it being hit by russian missile, we lost developers, who had to flea the country.
We are discussing here the removal of the Banner ( accidentally or by order ) from the front page of drupal.org where a majority of the Drupal community is keeping silent, moving the issue from Critical to Normal, without even a word from who I mentioned in social media.
You guys, with all respect, living in what great jew, Fritz Perls, father of Gestalt Therapy categorised, are living in Chicken shit layer, with lack of courage and responsibility.
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rszrama commented@podarok, are you trying to convince people to do something here by pointing out they're chicken shit, living lives of useless formality?
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aschiwi commentedI support this request and will get in touch with our partnership manager at the DA to see if we can use our company's premium supporting partner benefits to get this on the front page as long as this issue is still being discussed.
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podarokre: @rszrama
anything that could help people to look at real facts and to save the lives of Ukrainian civilians.
Mature people should get used to reality as it is, not to some highly polished, well-looking, highly tolerant, and beautifully organized text.
In short words: "Yes"
Welcome to Ukraine, you'll see reality and the real truth.
While we speak here, Ukrainians are getting killed and wounded.
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avpaderno@podarok Since you wanted to say a silly thing: No, even if there were bombs over Brescia, I would change the status to Critical. (Let us not mention they are still finding WWII's bombs on Brixian territory nowadays.)
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rszrama commentedNo one here is denying the atrocities being committed against Ukraine. Indeed, the people you are insulting have provided more material support, individually and collectively, to Ukraine than a banner on a website ever did.
The reality is that insulting people you disagree with is not an effective means of persuasion, nor is it accepted in the Drupal community.
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vlad.dancer@rszrama
153 people here voted for getting back banner, 3 denied or has no position.
> Indeed, the people you are insulting have provided more material support, individually and collectively, to Ukraine than a banner on a website ever did.
Ok, then why it is so hard to get banner back if this is a little thing from your POV?
I don't understand if you personally helped so much (I haven't found any tweets of that by you) then you should undestand that there is no little things!
> to Ukraine than a banner on a website ever did.
Do you have statistics or this is just a words?
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avpadernoI think that the following sentence already replies to the comment before this.
It is not a matter of getting a banner back, but showing the support for people involved in other conflicts too, which in some cases last from more time, or at least keeping that in consideration.
Nobody is saying the conflict is over. The reply is not saying the request will be ignored.
Comment #173
podarokThank you @apaderno
For the rest of the group - there is a PM thread happening right now about how the banner was lost from the front page
I'll keep you informed
Thank you all for your support. It is very important to all Ukrainians.
PS.
I'm not asking you to love me or to respect me. Also not asking for evaluation of efficiency.
I'm asking for help and clarity.
And we are living in a world where help could be denied. But clarity is achievable even if someone decides to get offended by a scientific study I referred to.
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pazhyn commented@Tim D.
Please return the banner back until the new strategy for such support is announced and accepted by the community.
An example of such silent change can play a domino effect for others.
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evgeniy commentedPlease add the banner back. Thank you
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avpadernoComment #178
vaza18 commentedPlease add the banner back. It gives us Ukrainians hope that Western civilized world keeps its promises to support Ukraine as long as it needs to be. And the hope makes us stronger to stand and fight together against the genocide of Ukrainians.
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podarokHi, community
Thank you for your support
Here is an update from an internal conversation with the marketing/content team
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tim d. commentedWe have returned the "We stand with Ukraine" banner back to the Drupal.org homepage, with the link to the Drupal Association Statement of Support and links to humanitarian organizations doing work to support Ukraine.
The Drupal Association never wavered in its support for Ukraine. We recognize both how important the Ukrainian Drupal community is and we recognize that Russia's aggression against Ukraine has not relented.
The Association is undertaking updates to Drupal.org, to improve the user experience, better organize information, and soon to upgrade from Drupal 7 to Drupal 10. In this effort, we took down the "We stand with Ukraine" banner and have been discussing other ways to more sustainably support Ukraine and other Drupal communities experiencing violent aggression. We will continue this discussion because we are here to support the global Drupal Community and will incorporate any new approaches as we convert from Drupal 7 to Drupal 10. We will communicate our ideas and get feedback ahead of time to affected communities.
I thank you for your patience and, more importantly, for speaking up.
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avpadernoComment #190
1kenthomas commented();
Велике дякую.
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pingwin4egThank you Tim, and thank you DA! We really appreciate this.
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boddy commentedThanks!
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andrii momotov commentedThank you!
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ressinelThanks a lot!
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podarokThank you, community
I appreciate
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avpadernoWe do not close issues, as they are automatically closed after 14 days.
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alunyov commentedThank you!