As any of the forum users here know, our forums suck. They are outdated by at least 10 years, and they are an extremely poor reflection upon Drupal. The Drupal association is not willing to support outside development of the forums beyond saying 'we support you' (without backing that up), and is not willing to update the forums themselves.

This thread is a petition to show just how many of us want the forums to be upgraded. Please, no commentary (you can add your comments here: https://www.drupal.org/node/2536122), just add a comment saying 'I agree' if you agree to the following question:

The other thread was shut down, so there is no more discussion allowed there. So please feel free to discuss here, although this thread has been completely ignored by the organization altogether, so it's not likely that anything will ever happen.

Edit: And this thread has been shut down as well.

Well, we can see where priority on the forums lies with the Drupal organization. Very, very low.

Discuss the following topic:

The Drupal forums are outdated, and I would like to see the Drupal association focus the necessary resources into improving them.

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imbilly’s picture

I agree

drupaledmonk’s picture

I agree

Codenext’s picture

I am posting this comment to several people as reply, to make them aware there are two separate issues.

Probably everybody is agree to upgrade the drupal forum. But if you read both forum topic, it is ultimately saying shifting to stakexchange. Hence, people need to be aware of that,

1. Drupal forum upgradation is Separate issue.
2. Shifting Drupal forum to stakexchange it totally separate issue.

Hence by agreeing to drupal forum upgradation on this topic, indirectly everybody is agreeing to shifting to stakexchange, hence both points needs to be separated.

Please read my comment to the link provided for the comment in the main comment above.
Kindly make the other petition for Shifting it for STAKEXCHANGE.

NewSites’s picture

I agree.

JamesOakley’s picture

I agree


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Codenext’s picture

I am posting this comment to several people as reply, to make them aware there are two separate issues.

Probably everybody is agree to upgrade the drupal forum. But if you read both forum topic(one is top of this page and one is link provided in the body), it is ultimately saying shifting to stakexchange. Hence, people need to be aware of that,

1. Drupal forum upgradation is Separate issue.
2. Shifting Drupal forum to stakexchange it totally separate issue.

Hence by agreeing to drupal forum upgradation on this topic, indirectly everybody is agreeing to shifting to stakexchange, hence both points needs to be separated.

Please read my comment to the link provided for the comment in the main comment above.
Kindly make the other petition for Shifting it for STAKEXCHANGE.

Anonymous’s picture

I now have 13 emails of the above comment! I presume the 'each edit sends a notification' issue is still alive and well. If so, please could you curtail the constant edits as will be notifying hundreds of people ;)

Thanks!

Anonymous’s picture

I stand corrected, I see you are posting the same comment in multiple places on the same thread. Is it totally necessary?

Codenext’s picture

Apologies, I am honestly not aware that each comment on this is going to everybody. If I was aware I would have commented only once as It is going to everybody. But let me explain you why I am commenting 3-4 people. As I am worried by agreeing to petition they are ultimately agreeing to stakexchange. Could you see, the main content of this topic just putting pressure on Drupal forum upgradation and it is not talking about the stakexchange, But ultimately. I agree = I agree to shifting to stakexchange. So, it looks like drupal forum upgradation is just to get "I agree" vote and that vote uptimately translating to stakechange. Hence I am worried, hence I am positing in reply to people. Very thanks to pointing out about multiples mails.

Anonymous’s picture

No worries, thought you may not have realised it was notifying everyone who is following the thread!

My 2 cents is if we are to be a Free Software project then we will need to have some free and open forums, and if it's not on the list and we don't create anything ourselves then we can't complain when it doesn't appear.

The DA have a finite amount of resources however there are thousands of people logging in every day and millions of dollars of business made using the software every day so there must be an answer out there, I don't think any petition will actually give the desired outcome because it's within the same system, we have a need to build a different system but no-one is.

There are fabulous forum projects out there built with Drupal like harmony as used by cancer research. That could be worked on for a Drupal 8 version and perhaps sponsors could be found to support dev and maintenance, but I fear as there is no direct revenue route it will be tough to get up and running but not impossible, you need to do as you are doing and gather support, just in a slightly less intrusive way than spamming threads lol ;)

Have a look at the two projects I recently set up, they are designed to route existing flows of revenue inwards to the community and as such are focused on areas which already make money but could be better - recruitment and finding a suitable agency/agencies for your needs. They have basic forums based on Virtual Enterprise Network methodology, once used more they will produce more, at the moment most is happening behind the scenes:

http://drupal.contractors
http://drupal.agency

If the above projects succeed in their goal of sustainability then supporting Drupal support forums is one option, but it takes me communicating everything better and more people on board and joining in.

So do your best and hope I can be of help in the long run too, but I have no idea how to support the general forums sustainably, that's kinda what I was expecting of an organisation who's mission it is to support the community as a whole. But I do get the issues, having spent a year on the inside ;)

Best,

Steve

paean99’s picture

The DA have a finite amount of resources however there are thousands of people logging in every day and millions of dollars of business made using the software every day so there must be an answer out there,

I totally agree.

There are fabulous forum projects out there built with Drupal like harmony as used by cancer research. That could be worked on for a Drupal 8 version and perhaps sponsors could be found to support dev and maintenance,

A valid option without a doubt.

I have no idea how to support the general forums sustainably, that's kinda what I was expecting of an organisation who's mission it is to support the community as a whole.

So paradoxical but a reality for this community, despite the effort or goodwill of so many...

Anonymous’s picture

So paradoxical but a reality for this community, despite the effort or goodwill of so many...

Everyone has the power to change the situation but it will take more than just saying I agree and having goodwill, the answer's already been given by 'the system', so in the old traditional way I'm going to quote the "talk is silver, code is gold" adage here. Start a project, gather support, listen to the nay-sayers, nurture the supporters, etc. etc.

Codenext’s picture

Hmmm, I got the essence of your message, it is very intuitive. Hope more and more resources and efforts comes together and something good happens. And new learners like me may also contribute significantly.

Anonymous’s picture

Don't hope, do - that's the Good Thing about Drupal, if you want to change something, you can. Hope != action ;)

Anyways... made my point, people will either get it or not, and that will be the way it is.

Jaypan’s picture

People are only agreeing to one thing by typing 'agree':

The Drupal forums are outdated, and I would like to see the Drupal association focus the necessary resources into improving them.

Nothing more or less. And and as requested in the thread topic, please keep discussion in the other thread.

slewazimuth’s picture

I agree

AjitS’s picture

I agree

Thanks,
Ajit Shinde
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John_B’s picture

As one of the early supporters of Jay's requests, along with Worldfallz, and in the past a big forum contributor, of course I agree that it has been a mistake to let the forums slip down the agenda, and it is hard to escape the suspicion that it is not unrelated to the strong financial and individual links between DA and the 'enterprisey' end of the Drupal user base, which even given the most honest and fair-minded people (whom I am sure we have) cannot but influence the DA's perspective.

There is, however, a bit of a problem about the way we ask the question: if the question had been phrased 'do you want to spend less on these other named priorities in order to improve the forums', I would still agree, and the number of forum supporters would still be high, though maybe less high. Besides, the high-end people who hang out on IRC and issue queues are not really interested in the forum, with some honourable exceptions, and will not see the thread - they may be on stackexchange: for goodness sake, some of them are even migrating their Drupal software off d.o. and onto github. 'Brave new world, that has such people in it,' as poor, ugly Caliban said when he saw the high-end people who had arrived on his island.

With all that said, I still agree.

Digit Professionals specialising in Drupal, WordPress & CiviCRM support for publishers in non-profit and related sectors

Anonymous’s picture

I agree

(realised I replied to a comment here not the main thread as I meant to but I still agree too;)

paean99’s picture

I agree

babipanghang’s picture

I agree

Did i answer your question on the forums? I love to hear a reply wether or not it worked for you!
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rahulbaisanemca’s picture

I agree

wizonesolutions’s picture

I agree

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chgasparoto’s picture

I agree

Anonymous’s picture

I agree!

Christopher James Francis Rodgers’s picture

I agree


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No Sssweat’s picture

I agree

Carlos Miranda Levy’s picture

I agree

mysarah68’s picture

I agree

Etm

peterjlord’s picture

I agree

ugintl’s picture

i agree

Eluchel’s picture

I agree

rpayanm’s picture

I agree.

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xpersonas’s picture

I agree.

maen’s picture

Yes of course!

naveenvalecha’s picture

I agree

--
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meysamm’s picture

same as every one

Pravin Ajaaz’s picture

I agree

pravin raj

permanaj’s picture

I Agree

permanaj’s picture

I Agree

AdrienJ’s picture

I agree

lschmid’s picture

I agree.

slev’s picture

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JoeyRoth’s picture

I agree

jiqiang’s picture

I agree

Hygglo’s picture

I agree

cfreixo’s picture

Agree

dilipsingh02’s picture

I agree

WorldFallz’s picture

for the record-- of course, I agree ;-)

Codenext’s picture

I am posting this comment to several people as reply, to make them aware there are two separate issues.

Probably everybody is agree to upgrade the drupal forum. But if you read both forum topic(one is top of this page and one is link provided in the body of the main topic), it is ultimately saying shifting to stakexchange. Hence, people need to be aware of that,

1. Drupal forum upgradation is Separate issue.
2. Shifting Drupal forum to stakexchange it totally separate issue.

Hence by agreeing to drupal forum upgradation on this topic, indirectly everybody is agreeing to shifting to stakexchange, hence both points needs to be separated.

Please read my comment to the link provided for the comment in the main comment above.
Kindly make the other petition for Shifting it for STAKEXCHANGE.

WorldFallz’s picture

Please stop re-posting this same comment multiple times:

  1. it kicks off the notification to everyone every time
  2. as stated in the original post, this thread is ONLY for "i agree" comments, NOT commentary, which belongs in the other other thread.

thanks.

Codenext’s picture

Point noted regarding multiple notifications. Very thanks

Maxam’s picture

I agree

zeezhao’s picture

I agree.
About time too...

deepakaryan1988’s picture

I agree

Cheers,
Deepak K

davidtherefore’s picture

I agree

adewinne’s picture

I agree

ahillio’s picture

i agree

snaphuman’s picture

I agree

sumthief’s picture

I agree

tony.herr’s picture

I agree

neha.gangwar’s picture

I Agree!!

milovan’s picture

I agree

smpetrey’s picture

+1 Agreed.

nitin.k’s picture

I have problem with UI/UX not with functionality. I have never faced any breaking scenario.

Viktor-T’s picture

i agree

zenkul’s picture

I agree

feromca’s picture

I agree

drupso’s picture

I agree

julien.reulos’s picture

I agree.

Tamilselvancst’s picture

I agree

dddave’s picture

+1

gupta324’s picture

I agree

jefferis’s picture

I'm having trouble getting any of my issues fixed either with the install itself or mods. Compared to other software support forums, I could not recommend Drupal for any newbie.

rhuffstedtler’s picture

I'd love to see us incorporate some of the concepts from stackoverflow's user interface.

WorldFallz’s picture

I don't want to derail this thread (it's a petition), but I pretty much created exactly that as a POC for the drupal.org community tools team. As i begun work to actually migrate the functionality to drupal.org, the team was disbanded and all work on forums, including all the work I did already, was scrubbed. For more info see https://www.drupal.org/node/2536122#comment-10135356.

EVERYONE-- please don't follow-up here to my comment, see that thread to participate. Thanks!

kerby70’s picture

I agree.

fubarhouse’s picture

All of the above is true. I agree.

s_leu’s picture

I agree

vanekbr’s picture

I agree

GrantHorizons’s picture

Long, long, long overdue!

Chasen’s picture

I agree

DiDebru’s picture

I agree

scuba_fly’s picture

I agree

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eleonel’s picture

I agree.

Liam McDermott’s picture

I agree

NexusStar’s picture

I agree

Entering The Dip and trying to win over it.

St0iK’s picture

I agree

bringitonbri13’s picture

I agree

slinky’s picture

Agreed. The forums are dying. Needs facelift to make it easier to find things too. Would much rather be here than on any exchange...

gauravktomar’s picture

I Agree

eswachsman’s picture

I agree

linuxer777’s picture

I agree

srikanth.g’s picture

I Agree..Drupal 4 and Drupal 5 content like Modules and Documentation is No longer required..Please delete It.
At the same time there should be some easy way to find Modules related to Drupal 6/7/8/9 based on module category.

rachanakamlesh’s picture

Some times

mbaev’s picture

I Agree

seanr’s picture

crane_cio’s picture

I Agree

stevej1238’s picture

I Agree

truyenle’s picture

I agree

rphair’s picture

I agree and was happy to hear from Lizz a couple of months ago that they are working on it. To me the slow going suggests limited time & budgets; therefore all the people who sincerely want improvement can pay & register with the Drupal Association and get that great-looking badge on their profile page.

Jaypan’s picture

Comments in the other thread please, as requested in the original post.

rphair’s picture

my sincere apologies; I mis-read the OP. Would delete my submission if I could.

eswachsman’s picture

Another reason why I agree...

Codenext’s picture

@Jaypan

Probably everybody is agree to upgrade the drupal petition. But if you read both forum topic, it is ultimately saying shifting to stakexchange. Hence, people need to be aware of that,

1. Drupal forum upgradation is Separate issue.
2. Shifting Drupal forum to stakexchange it totally separate issue.

Hence by agreeing to drupal forum upgradation on this topic, indirectly everybody is agreeing to shifting to stakexchange, hence both points needs to be separated.

Please read my comment to the link provided for the comment in the main comment above.
Kindly make the other petition for Shifting it for STAKEXCHANGE.

nwoodland’s picture

I agree

nithinkolekar’s picture

I agree

jodym’s picture

Totally agree.

patrick.thurmond@gmail.com’s picture

I unequivocally agree. It is very outdated and difficult to use.

Patrick Thurmond
patrickthurmond.com

zlatev’s picture

I Agree

PetarB’s picture

I agree

jonasfh’s picture

I agree

whitakre’s picture

I agree

larruda’s picture

I agree

anilshrish’s picture

I agree

nithinkolekar’s picture

Instead of just "I agree" this issue can be used to get individual user feedback in few lines like what they are missing/expecting from forum.
1. file upload ( Just remembered that I created dummy node earlier for one of the forum issue)
2. forum issues started by ME (filter form or block on dashboard).

BTW: already voted above!

WorldFallz’s picture

Instead of just "I agree" this issue can be used to get individual user feedback in few lines like what they are missing/expecting from forum.

That's exactly what the OP is AVOIDING HERE. Those discussions are already going on elsewhere-- see the links further up the thread. And once, if ever, there is a decision to actually work on the forums, this discussion would occur in an issue queue.

There's no point in polluting and diluting this petition with a wishlist of forum functionality if there is ZERO chance of it actually being implemented.

nithinkolekar’s picture

if there is ZERO chance of it actually being implemented.

unfortunately that is what I expecting from them after gone through that issue from last 3 days.

At the end I would like to support for most promising step in that thread by implementing your proposal(doc) also wishlist(if missing in doc) collected from this issue. At least this way voting doesn't get wasted.

@Jaypan could you set timeline or total votes for this issue?

@WorldFallz sorry again if my comment is polluting this issue :(

mbutelman’s picture

I agree

DavidFeldman’s picture

I agree

senzaesclusiva’s picture

I Agree

Bahson’s picture

I agree too, but only because I can't get the help I need, drupal developers only let users help each other, if only they helped too, and charged a little levy for that, drupal is powerful and owesome, no cms can beat it. If only the forum was; every website would run on drupal.

JvE’s picture

I agree

Young Malcolm’s picture

I agree

panchtatvam’s picture

I agree

Stefan Lehmann’s picture

I agree

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hermes_costell’s picture

I'm a Gree

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mhmd’s picture

I agree

strilok’s picture

i agree..

Joachim Namyslo’s picture

I agree

mshepherd’s picture

I agree

fkelly12054@gmail.com’s picture

i AGREE

bmcclure’s picture

This is sorely needed.

joe_carvajal’s picture

I agree

jiv_e’s picture

I agree.

nofue’s picture

Yes. And not only the forums, the whole documentation needs improvements. It's unbelievable to be presented with answers for f.e. version 4.7 first … Versions should be separated from each other, as digging up information and hints becomes more difficult every day.

Norbert

-- form follows function

Gik000’s picture

I agree

superpardo’s picture

I agree

nimbfire’s picture

I agree

Codenext’s picture

Probably everybody is agree to upgrade the drupal forum. But if you read both forum topic(one is top of this page and one is link provided in the body of the main topic), it is ultimately saying shifting to stakexchange. Hence, people need to be aware of that,

1. Drupal forum upgradation is Separate issue.
2. Shifting Drupal forum to stakexchange it totally separate issue.

Hence by agreeing to drupal forum upgradation on this topic, indirectly everybody is agreeing to shifting to stakexchange, hence both points needs to be separated.

Please read my comment to the link provided for the comment in the main comment above.
Kindly make the other petition for Shifting it for STAKEXCHANGE.

Marko B’s picture

They are so outdated. Instead of drupal org we are finding and writing solutions on stack owerflow. That is private company and we should keep/exchanged knowledge for/and in community, not to be used by other companies for their benefits. For the page visits they receive and ads they display, they GET Money, Money we could use to support drupal, drupal developments, drupal camps!!!

denix’s picture

I completely agree!

Codenext’s picture

Kindly make the other petition for Shifting it for STAKEXCHANGE.

Please do not combine two things.

1. Drupal forum upgradation is separate issue.
2. Moving to stakexchange is separate issue (Because stake-exchange has its own problems)

Hence you are putting viewer in two position at a time, probably everybody will be agree to upgrade drupal forum but there will be very different view to shift it to stakexchange.

diriy’s picture

+

johnny-j-hernandez’s picture

Please add a filter or sort by date so I don't have to look through post that are more than 6 years old.

socceronly’s picture

I agree.

However, I believe this horse was beaten to death so long ago you would now be killing flowers.

It made 'sense' that if you needed a forum, use the forum software.

But people clearly needed both. Hence vB and IPB and others foray into CMS territory.

Drupal could have been the CMS for hundreds of thousands of forums, needed a maintained bridge(s).

Not trivial to do it turns out, and not very fun or sexy to work on.

dddave’s picture

If you do not agree with the OP please don't post here. I'll unpublished derailing comments. If you want to discuss or voice your dissent please use the other thread (linked in the OP).

jfha73’s picture

I agree.

juanlacueva’s picture

I agree

jomarocas’s picture

i agree, forums need be better

rich_dawson’s picture

I agree.

Lionsharz’s picture

agree

Michael-IDA’s picture

The Drupal forums are outdated, and I would like to see the Drupal association focus the necessary resources into improving them

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criscom’s picture

I agree

vigneshbabu’s picture

I Agree and willing to help

connectkushal’s picture

i totally agree. For a start, simple changes like smaller user image thumbnails and doing away with the fixed sized boxes for posts would greatly improve the look and feel (like vanilla forums).

Inspiration can be drawn from the discourse forum for some amazing functionality, which obviously will require loads of efforts. Since Drupal 8 is based on the MVC, it should be possible to do that. Can't say about drupal 7 though.

Alice112’s picture

There are fabulous forum projects out there built with Drupal like harmony as used by cancer research. That could be worked on for a Drupal 8 version and perhaps sponsors could be found to support dev and maintenance, but I fear as there is no direct revenue route it will be tough to get up and running but not impossible, you need to do as you are doing and gather support, just in a slightly less intrusive way than spamming threads lol ;)

joehammy’s picture

I'm new to the forums so I'm not going to just say "I agree". So far it's been easy to use, maybe after the next few weeks I'll see more of the frustrations. The first thing I did look for however, was a "Welcome new members" thread. Those threads always make me feel a bit more invited within a community. Maybe I just overlooked it, but I couldn't find it. Does such a thing exist? Thanks!

end user’s picture

Agree

I don't have an answer how the forums should be revamped although they should never resemble anything like Discourse or any of the new fang dangled things trying to pass off as community forums. The DO forums remind me of community forum from the late 90's. Simple discussions but useless for locating info you need.

My main gripe about the forums is its next to impossible to find anything relating to the search terms/problem. I get most of my results from search engines whether they link to the DO forums for the subject/problems I'm looking for or 90% of the time to non DO websites.

kenyan’s picture

I agree. Even now.