Support for Drupal 7 is ending on 5 January 2025—it’s time to migrate to Drupal 10! Learn about the many benefits of Drupal 10 and find migration tools in our resource center.With current HEAD, I find the configuration pages around the "People" area to be very confusing.
There's a top-level "People" page admin/people, which has a tab for "Permissions". Problems:
- It is not obvious to a new user (or a previous D6 user, or to me in particular), that you would want to click on People in the toolbar to get to the Permissions page. This is new -- it was changed in #699842: Move permissions to a tab at admin/people/permissions.
- The tooltip when you hover over People in the top nav is just "Manage user accounts" (I think this comes from the main People menu item that generates the admin/people path). It should say "and permissions" at least.
Then there's also a People section in config admin/config/people. This contains Account settings (admin/config/people/accounts), and IP address blocking (admin/config/people/ip-blocking). Problems:
- These should be grouped with the other people stuff, in my opinion. At a minimum, admin/config/people/account is MUCH more related to admin/people than is admin/people/permissions. IMO.
- I also think it's extremely confusing that there are two people sections. All the people stuff should be together, or the Config people section should be renamed to something else.
| Comment | File | Size | Author |
|---|---|---|---|
| #13 | people_section_s_are-715972-13.patch | 1.5 KB | malcomio |
Comments
Comment #1
jhodgdontagging (hope I have the right tags)
Comment #2
Bojhan CreditAttribution: Bojhan commentedWell there was bound to be a new issue, when we did this move so late in the cycle.
- We are guessing here, you are saying its not obvious to a new user, you or a D6 user that permissions is under people - we think it it will be more obvious then under configuration.
- We can rename the description.
- Actually this is all about use, the conceptual map you make, is very much object related. In terms of use, you rarely optimize account settings or IP blocking, for them to be in People - would make them far more important than they actually are.
- Yes and No, it is somewhat confusing to have two people sections. But its just as confusing two use two diffrent names for the same category.
Comment #3
catchYeah I find this really confusing as well, and regularly navigate to the wrong section. For renaming, we could do admin/config/users ;)
Comment #4
jhodgdonWell, I would defer to any usability testing...
- The description change on the top-level People (admin/people) definitely needs to be done to include permissions (if that stays there), and that's a one-line patch.
- I see your point about having both sections being called People, and that Config/People is for configuration settings related to People.
- But if the criterion for what is in People and what is in Config/People is how often you would use them, then Permissions should definitely be in Config/People too. How often are you really going to need to configure permissions? Hopefully not often, and to me they're definitely a configuration item. So would setting up roles be (it's a local task under permissions, anyway, which actually makes sense).
Comment #5
Bojhan CreditAttribution: Bojhan commentedWell, you might not use it much - but I am pretty sure a lot of users see it as a common place to be. What we saw in testing, is that many issues where refered to as permission problems (these where beginning Drupal 6 users) and when setting up a site its still a pretty common place to be.
If you want to make a patch for the description that is great.
Comment #6
jhodgdonIt looks like a couple of descriptions need to change, because the Configuration/People section still says "Configure user accounts, roles and permissions.".
We should probably just open up that other issue again where the permissions page was moved into Admin/People as a tab and make the fix there, and close this issue as a "wont' fix".
I'll do that.
Comment #7
jhodgdonComment #8
Noyz CreditAttribution: Noyz commentedReopening this issue for two reasons...
1. There's seems to be significant confusion around finding permissions. I do think so long as there's a 'people' primary toolbar menu, grouping 'permissions' with 'people' is a sound idea. The problem is many people, both new and existing, can't find 'permissions.' I think in their mind, 'permissions' is a preference-like setting, and therefor try 'configure' first. As such, we should cross-link from config.
2. For those that have TAC installed, it's awfully strange that /config/people provides a link to granular-level access control, yet not site-wide permissions.
Comment #9
YesCT CreditAttribution: YesCT commentedThis sounded link the same issue identified in Budapest Usability Testing Results, under Task 2
http://groups.drupal.org/node/271918
If it's not the same, a search for a different already existing issue should be done, or a new issue should be opened.
Comment #10
YesCT CreditAttribution: YesCT commentedtagging
Comment #11
YesCT CreditAttribution: YesCT commentedrelated issue #1413706: Move Manage Fields and Manage Display Tabs from admin/config/people/accounts to admin/people
Comment #12
klonos...we now have a dedicated section for related issues as metadata ;)
Comment #13
malcomio CreditAttribution: malcomio commentedGiven that the only child of 'Configuration/People' that is provided by core is 'Account Settings', how about we just remove it, and promote 'Account Settings' up a level?
Here's a patch that does that.
The tricky bit is what to do about any contrib modules that might use the 'user.admin_index' route to hang their menu links off...
Comment #14
malcomio CreditAttribution: malcomio commentedComment #16
malcomio CreditAttribution: malcomio commentedAs well as the failed tests, looks like the ban module also uses a path starting with admin/config/people
Comment #28
pameeela CreditAttribution: pameeela commentedThis is a tough one! I do agree it's confusing to have both People links, but it's been this way for so long now, that it might be more confusing to change it?
Comment #32
quietone CreditAttribution: quietone at PreviousNext commentedClosed #1409940: Why does 'People' appear twice in the management menu? as a duplicate, adding credit.
Comment #33
quietone CreditAttribution: quietone at PreviousNext commentedNow I find a later issue that has a comment suggesting this is a duplicate of that one, #2695771-11: Re-organise user/account items under admin/. And I agree that later issue has more discussion of possible solutions.
Therefor closing this as a duplicate and moving credit.
Also, I changed #1409940: Why does 'People' appear twice in the management menu? to be a duplicate of #2695771: Re-organise user/account items under admin/ instead of this issue.