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By adrian on
The folks over at Good Basic have been doing a fine job of converting some of the brilliant templates available for various other CMS packages into Drupal templates. I have just committed, tagged for 4.6 release and created projects for the following new themes : Leaf, rdc*, Gespaa, Green Marinée and Blix.
UPDATE: I have uploaded screenshots of several of the contributed themes, including these five new ones, to the new Drupal.org theme gallery.
As the projects have just been created, it might take a while for the packages to be available on Drupal.org, but they are already accessible from CVS. All of these templates require the PHPTemplate theme engine.
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Oh? and did you receive my request for my theme hack?
Hmmm..? Just wondering if it got received. :) Doesn't make a big difference, but I'd hate to have it on my mind still when i pass away in 20 years.
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LeBlank
Screenshots?
It would be great if the themes listings had screenshots. Personally, I have little motivation to download a theme and install it before even seeing it.
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Yes a little thumb
of the main page or at least the top half is very informative. And of course no one really wants to install a theme blindly with no idea what it looks like! I can just imagine the page opening up to a flourescent orange background with green text ... or maybe purple ....
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LeBlank
This is what the theme garden is supposed to be for.
I've mailed Ber, and will update this post once they are running on the theme garden.
Lemme just say that Leaf and Green Marinée are my favourites, and I _heartily_ recommend checking them out, even if you haven't seen a screenshot yet.
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screenshots from theme file
Perhaps theme contributors could at minimum provide a link to th the theme screenshot thumbnail that is part of the theme submission (the one that Drupal uses on the theme admin page).
It's true that a screenshot
It's true that a screenshot demo would be great but, if you take a look at each themes "related" link, you will see what they should look like.
take a look... :)
http://01webmasters.com
http://pressrelease.cc
http://businessletters.com
My idea
I think a screenshot feature should be added, and that a screenshot should be mandatory for all themes when they are submitted.
Downloading a theme without a clue on what it looks like is like going out to eat and telling the waiter, "Surprise me!"
Chances are, you're not going to get what you want.
And often, the designers behind it link to their site, which may not be using that theme - the designers probably use a more unique, unreleased theme for their site.
I would back Drupal.org 100% in not having everyone upload screenshots, since file hosting is not free. But image hosting is. Peope could easily find a free image host, then upload and link to their picture.
Everybody wins :-)
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Josh Stevens
Nautilus7 Design | www.nautilus7.com
have to agree with Joshuwa
have to agree with Joshuwa here, that is actually one of the biggest drawbacks of drupal, it´s near impossible to know how a theme looks and modules before testing it, and that do put down alot of potential users.
huh
How is file hosting free and image hosting not? Are you suggesting that we host screen shots on flicker? Someone has to pay for it at some time.
It takes a few minutes over dialup to download a theme. Theme's can be assigned to an individual user, so you can install a theme on a web site, assign it to a test user and log in as that user. The entire process takes less than 5 minutes if you have dial up. It takes 2 minutes if you have DSL/Cable/T1@work.
-sp
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Well, a way to spread the load ..
... is already at hand. Drupal could set up a multi-host repository for images of whatever, using the aggregator, could do? I would volunteer space for a theme or two. You'd have no end of volunteers.
:->
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LeBlank
Why download "mystery files" ?
"How is file hosting free and image hosting not? Are you suggesting that we host screen shots on flicker? Someone has to pay for it at some time."
What I'm saying is that people who create themes could upload screenshots to a free service like photobucket.com. It would cost them nothing to do that, and it would not fill up drupal.org's servers.
"It takes a few minutes over dialup to download a theme. Theme's can be assigned to an individual user, so you can install a theme on a web site, assign it to a test user and log in as that user. The entire process takes less than 5 minutes if you have dial up. It takes 2 minutes if you have DSL/Cable/T1@work. "
Even at the short time of 5 minutes, that is still significantly more time that it would take to look at a screenshot and decide whether or not you want to download it in the first place.
Why download a mysterious theme, unpack it, upload it it, log in, see it in action - then decide if you like it or not? That is a huge waste of time, especially if you end up not liking it, and have to remove it, ultimately wasting your time.
The idea of downloading a theme without being able to see a screenshot would be like coming to Drupal.org and never seeing a discription of what "Drupal" actually is. You'd just have to download it, install it, and decide if you liked what it does. It could be a word processor, calculator, who knows ...
Certainly there is a benefit of knowing what it is your're downloading *before* you download it.
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Josh Stevens
Nautilus7 Design | www.nautilus7.com
heh :)
Well, who do you propose manages that? Make sure that the screen shots are accurate and consistent? What happens when the site goes away? What happens if they start charging? How is what you want different from seeing an actual site like http://themes.drupal.org?
If you want to setup another demo site like themes.drupal.org, feel free to do so. For every new feature proposed by someone, someone needs to be interested in doing it and start doing it....
If you think you have a better idea, suggest a concrete plan. Outline the standards to which it will adhere to. Find out if there is buy in from others. If there isn't a lot of support and you get busy in life, it is not sustainable. If there is buy in and several poeple help out, then it is more likely to succeed. No one is trying to discourage you, just no one wants to see yet another project drifting along in a few months.
http://themes.drupal.org is up, still being worked on but it does show many themes. Those available on for download and themes not released so people can see the potential of themeing for Drupal..
Just for grins, I went to the various theme project pages and followed them into the cvs repositories for their preview screenshots. :)
http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/themes/friendselectri...
http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/themes/rdc/screenshot...
http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/themes/spreadfirefox/...
http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/themes/leaf/screensho...
http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/themes/gespaa/screens...
http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/themes/democratica/sc...
http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/themes/blix/screensho...
-sp
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Test site...always start with a test site.
Drupal Best Practices Guide
-Steven Peck
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Test site, always start with a test site.
Drupal Best Practices Guide
You're over-complicating it.
You're making the idea seem WAY more complicated than it is.
I'm not talking about some "project", I'm talking about 1 little form input box that allows theme submitters to enter a URL to a screenshot of their theme. That's all.
Thats < 5 mins. of code to do for drupal.org, and it's done.
It's not something that needs a "manager" or anything like that. A not-so-accurate screenshot is better than none at all. And why would it not be accurate anyway?
No one needs to "buy in", and so far, it's an idea than only you disagree with. Obviously, there is much support for it.
Since I don't run drupal.org, I surely can't change the site and add the code for this, but it's definitely not a group task or something one should consider a "project".
I don't see the purpose and/or benefit of making a simple thing so complicated?
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Josh Stevens
Nautilus7 Design | www.nautilus7.com
heh
heh
From your post
My response was in part to your mention of the above. The 'buy in' comments were all related to that. My disagreement with you is that hosting stuff off Drupal.org tends to disappear rapidly.
Now you are talking about modifying the project module..... :) File a feature request against the Project module? Actually from another comment in the thread, it appears there is already movemnet towards something like that in any case.
-sp
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Test site...always start with a test site.
Drupal Best Practices Guide
-Steven Peck
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Test site, always start with a test site.
Drupal Best Practices Guide
Theme garden
http://themes.drupal.org/ is your friend (still in beta).
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regarding Theme Garden
Steven,
Love the Theme Garden concept. But my question is, is it a place to just show off themes, or to download them? I checked a couple of them, and the artHurts theme said it wasn't available to download. The Sunflower theme said it was available at drupal.org (without a link.) Is this going to be made more user-friendly?
silverwing
www.misguidedthoughts.com
It is a place to see Drupal
It is a place to see Drupal theme's. Both those downloadable off Drupal and those that are not available to the general public to demonstrate the flexibility of Drupal's theme system.
The current setup looks to be Drupal 4.5. I suspect that it will get upgraded to 4.6 soon, but 4.6 was just released, give the poor volunteers a little bit to get it up to 4.6 :)
-sp
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Test site...always start with a test site.
Drupal Best Practices Guide
-Steven Peck
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Test site, always start with a test site.
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Themegarden
Regarding themegarden.
WEll, what do you expect? I try to make themegarden as close to perfect, before release, as possible, hence its still beta. But that is very hard and demands a lot of time, something none of the Drupal developers seems to have.
It is very easy to write "The Sunflower theme said it was available at drupal.org (without a link.) Is this going to be made more user-friendly?". But it very hard to actually DO something to make it userfiriendly. Such as comment does notthing other then annoy me (All time I spent on this, and I get a "is it going to be more user-friendly") is not very encouraging.
So, if you want a better usable themegarden that do not simple whine, but give ideas, comments, write code, offer help with administering etc! Only then it will become more user-friendly.
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I'd be into helping out
I'd be into helping out with theme garden after i get some projects completed. I was excited about it before, but it sort of languished before coming over to drupal.org ...
I thought theme garden was pretty cool too ...
... I'm sure no one meant to put it down (:| Don't get discouraged compadre! It's a great idea, and I all hope you can get it all together. It's a heck of an undertaking, mebbe someone else will offer to help also? I'll do what I can ... I'm working on something that has me challenged right now ... whew! Lemme know if there's anything I can help you with anyway!
Like one of my girlfriends told me once, " .. it doesn't have to be perfect, just has be there when I need it .." ^|^
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LeBlank
Upgrade to 4.6
first of all: We cannot upgrde themes.drupal.org to 4.6 untill at least a vast majority of the themes are ready for it. Currently they are not.
So, if you want to help out, there are various tasks that should be done:
Take out the whip and hunt theme maintainers to upgrade the themes
Apply (by mail, berkessels curlything gmx dot net) for moderation role and edit/improve the texts.
Help with that annoying themes-disabling-at-random-bug in themeswitcher.module or system.module or else?. (themes disable themselves, magically)
Ber
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isn't hosting images what ourmedia is for? ;)
Wouldn't it be appropriate to host the screenshots on ourmedia.org? ;)
I think there should be screenshot hosting for themes on drupal. It's not a huge burden to put on the site. There's not alot of themes for available on drupal at any given time as it is. Hopefully that is going to change but it should still be ok to host a single screenshot. The itty bitty screens are too small and don't cover enough of the theme to get a good feel for it pre-installation.
I do however appreciate the theme garden. It's nice to see a theme in action.
As for sunflower theme, it was updated last for 4.5.
This whole thread is OT
Somehow it devolved into issues about "where to put images".
1. Project module needs to be updated to support thumbnails. End of story. Has nothing to do with hosting images or anything, Drupal.org has enough bandwidth to do this. It would likely pull the screenshots directly from CVS, as Sepeck posted links.
2. Image module is part of core. Enjoy.
Leaf nice but not
I really like the Leaf theme but it does not work good with Internet Explorer. The tabs are not aligned when browsing a Leaf themed site in Explorer.
Any fix to this?
no idea.
but there is a project entry , add an issue to it ..
and perhaps contact the person in the readme file (i didn't develop the theme, i merely added it to drupal.org)
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Leaf & Blix Testing
I'm doing some Drupal 6 validation testing here that includes two of these themes:
http://openconcept.ca/blog/mgifford/accessible_drupal_six_themes
Leaf seems to do a good job, even with Web Accessibility Testing through http://wave.webaim.org/
Mike
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