The drupal.org redesign team is looking for people to help perform Quality Assurance (QA) testing of beta.drupal.org. We have been working on redesigning Drupal.org and are nearing the first launch. Some details still need work, and we need your help to find and fix them.

Major revisions will likely not be included in this first launch; however, drupal.org is a community effort that is continually evolving. We want your feedback, and we want you to help continue to make our home better. There are opportunities for people of all skills to help us identify or fix problems.

Bill O'Connor (csevb10) and Neil Drumm (drumm) are leading the QA effort and can be reached in #drupal-redesign on IRC or in the redesign issue queue.

We need help with functional testing and cross-browser/platform theme testing. We will be periodically pushing changes, so the community will see progress on resolving issues.

If you discover a problem outside of the issue you're working on, check for an existing issue before filing a new QA issue. Instructions for filing a new issue are listed under Task 3 below.

Task 1 - Functional QA Testing all items tagged as “drupal.org redesign qa”

  1. Choose an issue from the queue that isn't assigned to someone else (w/out [Theme] appended): http://drupal.org/project/issues/search/redesign?issue_tags=drupal.org+r...
  2. Assign it to yourself
  3. Go to http://beta.drupal.org (user name and password are drupal/drupal)
  4. Ensure that the feature works (i.e., does what it should)
  5. Ensure that it behaves logically: if what it does technically works, but it doesn’t make sense, it may need to be fixed.
  6. Log all the problems in the issue. The QA redesign leads will create new issues if necessary. Include:
  • What is expected - i.e., “how you would expect it to behave”
  • What it does - i.e., “how it is wrong”
  • Steps to recreate - i.e., “what do we need to do in order to see the problem in action”. Please be detailed enough to easily replicate the problem.
  • Attach a screenshot (if possible) to show the error in action. See this example.
  • Add the tag ‘drupal.org redesign qa code’, in addition to the existing tags.
  • Change the status to “needs work”.
  • If you don't find any problems on a QA issue, mark it as 'reviewed & tested by the community' with a comment with any other details. The redesign team will review and marked fixed if it’s ready.
  • Task 2 - Theme QA, cross-browser testing all items tagged as “drupal.org redesign qa”

    1. Choose an issue from the queue that isn't assigned to someone else (w/ [Theme] appended): http://drupal.org/project/issues/search/redesign?issue_tags=drupal.org+r...
    2. Assign it to yourself
    3. Review https://infrastructure.drupal.org/drupal.org-style-guide to get a sense for what the designs should embody. We are not testing to match these exactly, but it is a good reference for how the final product should look.
    4. Test for visual blemishes, e.g. alignment problems (e.g. no need to report something that doesn’t match the prototype exactly) in these browsers (Please note the browsers tested in the issue):
      • Internet Explorer 7+
      • Firefox 3+
      • Safari 4+
      • Chrome 4+
    5. Log all the problems in the issue. Include:
    • Browser (e.g., ‘IE7’ or ‘all’)
    • What is wrong with the theme now
    • How should the theme look / what should it do
    • Screenshot of the theming issue. See this example.
    • Add the tag ‘drupal.org redesign qa theme’, in addition to the existing tags.
    • Change the status to “needs work”.
  • If you don't find any problems on a QA issue, mark it as 'reviewed & tested by the community' with a comment with any other details. The redesign team will review and marked fixed if it’s ready.
  • Task 3 - Filing a new issue, if you discover a new issue not already discussed in the Redesign queue

    1. Go to The Redesign project.
    2. Prefix new issues with "QA:"
    3. Component = choose one
    4. Category = "bug report"
    5. Tags = 'drupal.org redesign', 'drupal.org redesign qa' and either 'drupal.org redesign qa theme' or 'drupal.org redesign qa code'. Please mark as appropriate based on Task 1 or Task 2 above.

    Feature requests, design, and information architecture changes

    Feedback on the drupal.org redesign outside the functionality and theme is welcome. We request that any feedback be respectful and constructive, in accordance with the Drupal community of conduct, and that it be posted in the Redesign issue queue so that it can be assigned and acted on as appropriate. Read more on how to use the issue queue.

    The redesign team is reviewing and prioritizing all feedback that it receives. Issues deemed critical and urgent will be taken care of prior to the launch of the redesign, but other improvements will be made afterward. The redesign team will do their best to strike a balance between the issues that can be addressed prior to launch and those that represent more long-term improvements.

    Thank-you,
    On behalf of the Drupal.org redesign team

    Comments

    J. Daglees’s picture

    It's looking great!

    NaX’s picture

    I think it looks great, but I have to confess its hard to review the new design when you so use-to and comfortable with the current.

    The only feature that I cant see that I am missing is breadcrumbs. Ether I cant find them or they not implemented. I assume it has been discussed or might be implemented later, but I can't find an issue about it. Maybe breadcrumb navigation was discussed during the planning phase.

    drumm’s picture

    The navigation elements in the header are meant to orient you within the site. When those run out, breadcrumbs do fill out the rest, like http://beta.drupal.org/node/940494.

    redpuma’s picture

    I've given it some thought and when the path drops from a verbose url such as /project/views_hacks to an item in the issue queue (/node/940494) it is hard to workout where you are.

    I find the breadcrumb very useful for orientation.

    wolan’s picture

    I've searched the issue queue, but no one seems to be missing the Druplicon in the upper left corner....I think it's not a huge mistake, I think it's a mega huge mistake to ditch the Druplicon in the logo.
    I guess the guys in the design team has given this a major thought, so of course there are reasons to leave the Druplicon as logo for the Drupal CMS and just have a dull text-logo remaining. But to me this leaves out the edge in Drupal - the edge in reconition and the edge to all the other Open Source CMS/CMF's.
    To me, it just looks like another dull business site.

    Can anybody guide me, where to post this issue i the issue-queue?

    /just my 2 cents
    wolan - Drupal fan

    drumm’s picture

    http://groups.drupal.org/node/14853 was one of the earlier discussions. Unfortunately, Mark's full post is no longer online.

    http://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/drupal-org-logo-trademark is an excellent explanation.

    wolan’s picture

    Thanks for the link to Larry's explanation. It is, as you mention excellent. But quite a long explanation to put at the top left corner (if you, know what I mean ;) ).

    No, Druplicon is not a logo. It is a mascot that we've been using as a logo. Think Tux the Linux Penguin.

    It just changes the discussion a bit: Put the mascot where the mascot belongs! look at http://www.linux.org/

    Kind regards
    /wolan

    wolan’s picture

    After a little thought about Larry Garfields explanation a the key sentence:

    That means the two can coexist, one as the logo of the Drupal.org network and one as the mascot of the Drupal community

    Make no mistake about it. Drupal IS the community. Without it, Drupal is nothing but another dying trademark.

    Kind regards
    /wolan

    NaX’s picture

    I agree.
    I like the new font used as the Drupal name/logo, but I would also prefer to see the Drupalicon in the header. It is one of Drupal’s best marketed brand images. I don't know why its classification as a mascot vs a logo has prevent it from being used in the brand image that is Drupal. When I have some time I plan to read the linked explanations and discussion (thanks for taking the time to post those).

    Looking back at conference photos, T-Shirts and birthday cakes. The Drupalicon is a highly recognizable image that anybody in the industry already knows and hopefully respects.

    If you had to look outside drupal.org.
    What to do people use when blogging about Drupal?
    What do news sites use that support icons/images in the news teaser?
    When sites put powered by Drupal logos at the bottom of their sites, what do they use?

    I have not done any sort of survey or research into this, but if I had to guess or put money on it, I would say they probably use the Drupalicon most times, in some way.

    So personally I don't think the argument is as clear cut as just as a mascot vs a logo. Please keep in mind that I posted this without reading the detail.

    NaX’s picture

    Ok, I have read some of the linked discussions and reasoning. I understand what the reasoning for not wanting the Drupalicon to be part of the logo and why it is not a registered protected trademark.

    So I am changing my point of view, just a little. So we want to differentiate between the logo and mascot without the mascot been seen as a logo.

    It think Drupal.org will be sadder place if we can't incorporate Drupalicon into the design in some way.

    As our mascot I feel room needs to be made in the design for a permanent place for Drupalicon. We can use it to bring some identify to the design and maybe even some personality and wackiness without impacting on the image the main design is trying to present.

    If it was me I would look at the white space around the design first, maybe on the far right away from the logo. That way we don’t interfere with all the hard work that has already gone into the layout. People with wide screens will see the Drupalicon in all its glory and people with smaller displays will see part of the Drupalicon peaking around the side of their screen. Maybe it is placed to overlap the white and blue of the header. Just an idea. If that does not work for people something in the background like a watermark of the header or as a last ditch effort maybe the footer, but I would prefer it to have a little more prominence.

    This sort of thing will also open up opportunities to change a part of the site to react to big events or seasons of the year or even holidays without alerting the design of the site just by altering our mascot.

    That's my 2 cents/opinion.

    yareckon’s picture

    In Szeged, when the redesign was announced I was incredibly dissapointed with the lack of respect coming from the stage for two of the organically grown icons which brand the drupal community: the druplicon and the slogan "community plumbing" (which could apply to drupal.org or drupal itself).

    I asked webchick how much experience Mark had doing branding for open source software projects. Answer: none.

    In the meantime, I have grown a lot of respect for Mark, Lisa and the redesign team for their sheer dogged stick-to-itiveness and willingness to learn. However, making the drupal home page look like the web 2.0 homepage for yet another lumbering software project (Java anyone?), is the path to irrelevance. We need a big goofy logo, and plenty of silliness front and center. The enterprise is moving to drupal even with our irreverance. Let's not lose the community in the process of trying to impress a market we already are winning.

    I'm all for improving the friendliness and utility of the site for the beginner and end users. Let's just not confuse bland overseriousness with that.

    jazzdrive3’s picture

    However, making the drupal home page look like the web 2.0 homepage for yet another lumbering software project (Java anyone?), is the path to irrelevance. We need a big goofy logo, and plenty of silliness front and center.

    In a related line, I would also want the case studies to keep a prominent spot on the front page like they do now on the current site. At least have the teaser of the one being displayed shown. More than just an image. With the new design, they are kind of hidden and not given any weight. Even if the list and teasers of the last three cases studies is way below the fold, that would still be good, and not mess up the central design theme.

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    nsigma’s picture

    However, making the drupal home page look like the web 2.0 homepage for yet another lumbering software project (Java anyone?), is the path to irrelevance.

    As someone who works with both Java and Drupal, this made me laugh. Have you seen the main community page for Java (java.net), which incidentally is Drupal based - it's barely reached Web 1.0! :-) Although the suggestion that Java is either lumbering or on the road to irrelevance is absolute rubbish.

    Right, back OT!

    Really like the new design, with two caveats - one big, one small. -

    "Come for the software, stay for the community" is awful! Good sentiment, terribly put. Bring back "community plumbing", all is forgiven! :-)

    I don't like the radio buttons to refine your search - you can't un-select. Should be checkboxes if they're not required.

    NaX’s picture

    I agree, if the radio buttons can't be check boxes then what about an "All" radio button.

    yareckon’s picture

    So next week, Java.net spends the money and gets a web 2.0 skinning. "Java has 10,000 modules too and a bunch of case studies, and a fun font, and a map and 1 million developer accounts etc"... All very true.

    Now, what differentiates them from us to the public who visits? Largely the fact that their marketing won't let them put the little java drop guy at the top of their home page as part of their logo.

    Why can't they put their fun mascot front and center? It's a values signal. They see themselves as conservative, safe... enterprisey first, open source / community second. Our value proposition is the opposite, and it should show. Let's do what they can't...not just with software, but with community marketing. Up with Druplicon!*

    * It's ok if you launch the site first :) Just put druplicon up right after.

    Anonymous’s picture

    I also missed the mascot/logo in the upper left corner, to me it is a part of the whole Drupal experience and the website looks too "corporate" without it.

    Plus, I think that the new logo with just the text "Drupal" is too close to the company Icopal's logo (www.icopal.com), especially if you look at the letters "p" and "a". I'm by no means an expert on copyrights and infringements, but when I think of Icopal when looking at the Drupal logo, I think it is too close.

    Other than that: Awesome new design, much needed and will probably last a long time :)

    Sborsody’s picture

    The garfieldtech article speaks about consistency. Not having the icon in the top is a big consistency issue. Communities like consistency. The Druplicon is the sign that identifies and represents the community. I read the article, but I still don't see any reason why the mascot cannot be nearby the wordmark, below or even in the right hand corner away from the wordmark. To me, the new design waters down the community's identity and doesn't build any association to the new logo because they are not shown in relation to each other.

    It's political season where I live. There's an incumbent (i.e., Druplicon) running for mayor and an unknown person (the wordmark) running for a council seat. Both candidates agree on local issues (Drupal). One of their campaign strategies is to have their yard signs posted all over town _together_. The incumbent has name recognition while the unknown person does not. So the unknown person is capitalizing upon the incumbent's name recognition through this yard sign tactic. An association is created in everyone's mind between the unknown person and the incumbent, leading people who would vote for the incumbent to also vote for the unknown. Get what I'm trying to say?

    The other issues in the article make me wonder about how Mozilla does it because they, for example, have the Firefox logo trademarked yet allow all these Firefox themes that they host which contain community-modified versions of their logo doing all the things you're not supposed to do with a logo.

    Edit: Just noticed this too, the beta site has this slogan "Come for the software, stay for the community". Ironic given that the community's sign is not visible?

    yareckon’s picture

    Actually, the new design doesn't really have a perceptible logo. The text treatment of 'Drupal' is too standard to even be perceived as a logo as such. I predict someone will want to launch a "design a logo for drupal" contest, because they won't realize we have one. Adding back in the druplicon would at least give a perception of a brand.

    Sorry if I'm coming across a little strident this morning, but I'm having a definite sense of danger around the branding / loss of personality issue in particular.

    White-Buffalo’s picture

    I am extra NOT happy about losing the Druplicon on Drupal.org.

    Druplicon almost sells the platform.
    It is instantly recognizable - even from a distance, is weird enough to stick in your head like some sort of Burroughsian / memetic mind-virus, has instant appeal with kids, artists, bands, restaurants and bars... And it looks great on all of my T-Shirts and promotional mterials... Which I painstakingly worked up using the Druplicon as a centerpiece.

    Bartik is a beautiful theme and I'm really glad that it was chosen but it seriously would look 150% better WITH the Druplicon.

    http://white-buffalo.com/sites/default/files/images/Screenshot1.png

    Ideally, I'd like to see Druplicon AND the old logo-font.. Both back in-place, only under Bartik.
    And it would be an absolute dream-come-true if my Glossy Druplicon(s) was chosen to be included in core and/or chosen to accompany Bartik as the official Drupal-logo.

    http://drupal.org/node/903838

    http://drupal.org/node/848312#comment-3602366

    But for now, I'd settle for us getting our 'mascot' back.
    Now that it's no longer in-use on Drupal.org, my prospective clients are giving me funny looks when they see my (rather expensive-to-print) brochures.

    "A designer is an emerging synthesis of artist, inventor, mechanic, objective economist and evolutionary strategist."

    ~R. Buckminster Fuller

    xjm’s picture

    However, Druplicon is a big part of our identity, and in my humble opinion he's too much "below the fold" currently.

    I think a solution might be a Druplicon watermark in the blue gradient up top.

    Other than that cosmetic/branding issue (and the font/eyestrain issue, which is being addressed already), I'm loving the redesign. It's so much easier to find stuff.

    Amazon’s picture

    Hi, we made the decision for phase one not to implement the Drupalicon section which celebrates the creative use of the Druplicon. See: https://infrastructure.drupal.org/drupal.org-style-guide/prototype/drupl...

    The Druplicon is part of our community personality and the creativity in the use of Drupalicon should and will be celebrated on Drupal.org. If you'd like to help accelerate this we could put together a Druplicon swat team to gather the hundreds and thousands of creative uses of Druplicon and showcase them on Drupal.org.

    Kieran

    Kieran Lal

    lisarex’s picture

    Druplicon is on the home page, he's just not as prominent as before. Once we get past this first hurdle (getting the redesign live after two years and many, many, many thousands of hours from a huge group of people) there will be time for other enhancements.

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    elkin_taharon’s picture

    Looks great!!!

    May the source be with you .....

    Purvesh Shah’s picture

    It looks great ! New look with Easy to use, good work, they work hard on this, we will more contribute and we will also increase awareness of drupal everywhere.
    Drupal Rocks !
    Thank You.

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    kolier’s picture

    Nice but lack of the characteristic.
    Not unique as the current one.
    When I view the beta one, it just like many other websites.
    But the current one make people know this is Drupal Portal.

    Just not better than the current one at a glance.

    dreamleaf’s picture

    LOL @ kolier
    Was that sarcasm? The current site is well, butt ugly with no identifiable character or positive traits. The new design could of course be "something totally different and out there", but this is a first step into a new Drupal where design is given prominence.

    Also, there was a previous comment about it looking like a whole load of other sites - this is a valid point, but there is also an argument for not veering to far from user expectation. By providing something that is "familiar", users - new ones especially will feel more at home, quicker, hopefully leading to wider adoption and increased community participation. That's my take on it anyway.

    kolier’s picture

    @dreamleaf

    There're many complaints following if the official not going to improve this new design.
    I just can say: It's not prepared to publish yet.

    Brian Tastic’s picture

    I think the redesign is excellent, and my thanks goes to everyone that took part in helping update and modernise the Drupal site.

    I partly disagree with one of the above comments, regarding 'blandness'. My opinion is that any perceived 'blandness' at this stage is a good thing in a data rich dynamic site. Once the redesign has been live for 12 months or so, and loads of feedback has been received and analysed, only then would it be a good time to determine if it should be 'prettied up'.

    The weak point for me was the forum. It seems that very little work has been done on the core forum module, though I could be wrong. Given that support is a key part of the site and community, I would have thought a lot more work would have been done in this area.

    I did love the dynamic map at the bottom of the front page.

    It is clear that a lot of thought has gone in to this redesign, it's not easy trying to logically group huge amounts of information, that will be intuitive to the majority of a sites visitors.

    hughstimson’s picture

    I think the new design looks terrific.

    Having read the linked justification for redefining the druplicon as a mascot rather than a logo, I grok the reasoning but I'm not entirely convinced. There are plenty of examples of "official" logos which get deployed in subsidiary official or unofficial contexts without undue confusion, and the druplicon has been an excellent example of that. Making the switch seems like a solution without a problem.

    But it looks like that decision has been made and I can easily live with it -- the reasoning is lucid and somewhat convincing.

    What matters to me most is that the new site is shaping up beautifully, and I can't wait to see it go live. drupal.org has been in need of a usability overhaul, and I'm super glad to see that the hard work has actually come together.

    juan_g’s picture

    I'm comparing the current -I think until next Monday October 18th- news page at http://drupal.org and the new one at http://beta.drupal.org/news . In the new design, titles are smaller, column is less wide, and especially a narrower font is used for the article text, at least for Windows users, making it more difficult to read.

    That's the reason Verdana is more popular than Arial for small text. Unfortunately, probably a young designer with excellent sight chose to change to that narrow font. Or maybe they didn't check it on Windows, for a majority of desktop users.

    Is it possible to keep the current, more usable font family for the post text?

    drumm’s picture

    The fonts have been discussed quite a bit at #912936: Change font family and a few issues linked from there. On Windows, you should be seeing Lucida Sans Unicode, not Arial; unless you happen to be in the less than 2% that doesn't have it. Maybe shift-reload to make sure you have the latest CSS. A screenshot and detailed information about your browser and OS are needed to debug if you are seeing something different.

    juan_g’s picture

    You are right, it's Lucida Sans Unicode in the new design, for Windows XP and Firefox.

    The problem seems to be that Lucida is good on Mac (Lucida Grande) but not good on Windows (Lucida Sans Unicode). Most designers are on Mac, and most users are on Windows.

    I think I'm going to mention this on the issue you linked. Thanks.

    Summit’s picture

    Hi,
    May be time for a poll related to the druplicon?
    I really like the new design, the graphical presence of drupal content adding is great!
    greetings, Martijn

    Joel MMCC’s picture

    This could actually be a subject for modern Web design in general.

    It used to be that one could only count on users having a few generic fonts: Arial (or Helvetica), Times New Roman (or Times), Courier, and a Symbols font. Any other fonts you may have you could not count on your web users also having. Yes, most Windows users did have a basic set of Lucida fonts, but you couldn’t count on those for sure. Likewise, anyone with Microsoft Office had a few extra fonts such as Haettenschweiler (a thinner Impact) and Curlz MT and such, not to mention Tahoma, the font preferred for Office system use (e.g. the default font in an Excel spreadsheet or Access datasheet).

    Another thing to consider was that a font family on the Web should include at least true Boldface, Italics/Oblique, and Boldfaced Italics variants (as opposed to faux versions of those done by “double-stamping” the font one pixel to the right for a faux-Boldfaced, or skewing it to the right for a faux-Italics/Oblique), which look, quite frankly, Really Bad (Hey, fellow Windows users! See how bad this looks!?). But many of these fonts lacked some or all of those variants. Comic Sans MS has a true Boldfaced but not a true Oblique let alone Italics, for instance, and ditto Tahoma. Curlz, Haettenschweiler, and even Impact, and, more relevant to this site, Lucida Sans Unicode (!), etc. lack anything other than the plain font.

    The general advice was to not specify font names at all. Instead, use the HTML/CSS generic font-family names: “serif,” “sans-serif,” “monospace,” “cursive,” and “fantasy.” Let the OS and Web browser (and the user if s/he knows how) determine how those should map to installed system fonts.

    Well, Microsoft decided to release a set of Core Web Fonts to increase font variety on the Web. These were installed along with Internet Explorer 4 and up for Windows, any Internet Explorer for the Mac OS, and licensed to Apple for inclusion in later versions of Mac OS Classic and Mac OS X. These included Arial Black, Arial Narrow, Comic Sans MS, Impact, Verdana, and Webdings. A later batch that was somewhat less widely available included Andale Mono (monospaced sans-serif), Georgia (serif with old-style “lowercase” digits — not suitable for tables of numbers, prices, phone numbers, etc.!), and Trebuchet MS (stylish yet legible sans-serif) as well.

    You can pretty much count on the upper 90+% of users having those fonts available these days. Even most portable devices such as smartphones have them, or at least acceptable substitutes.

    More recently still, Microsoft in Windows XP introduced ClearType™, a mechanism for using the separate Red, Green, and Blue cells of a flat-panel display (but not the RGB phosphor dots nor stripes of a CRT display, since those could not be counted on to line up properly with a 1:1 pixel-to-phosphor-grouping ratio) to perform “sub-pixel rendering,” an advanced form of anti-aliasing (ironically itself very similar to a technique used on the old Apple ][+ in Hi-Res graphics mode to double apparent horizontal text resolution). While any outline (TrueType or OpenType) font would automatically take some advantage of ClearType, for Windows Vista and Office 2007 they created a new set of fonts that were specially crafted to take full advantage of ClearType. They look much more readable on flat panel displays, and also include special advanced typography features such as ligatures and kerning that modern browsers can utilize if CSS enables them (“text-rendering: optimizeLegibility;”).

    These fonts are often called the “C-fonts,” both because of ClearType and also because all but one of the font family names likewise begin with the letter “C”. These include: Calibri (the new Arial/Helvetica-like generic sans-serif), Cambria (the new Times New Roman-like generic serif), Consolas (the new Courier or Lucida Typewriter or Andale Mono-like monospaced font), Constantia (a more stylish serif font, with lower-case old-style digits — basically the new Georgia), Candara (a more stylish sans-serif, also with lower-case old-style digits, and a large x-height), and Corbel (plainer sans-serif with lower-case old-style digits, and a smaller x-height than Candara). There’s also Segoe UI, which is intended for system menus and such (thus the “UI” for “User Interface”) but is also a very clean slab-sans-serif font similar to a cross between Tahoma and Verdana. Windows 7 adds still more such fonts, including several sub-families of Segoe beyond just the UI version. All of these have all four necessary font-weight and font-style variants.

    Bitstream has released some free ClearType-optimized fonts as well, and those have achieved some popularity and come with some Gnome distros of Linux. These are the Vera family: Bitstream Vera Sans, Bitstream Vera Sans Mono, and Bitstream Serif. These have been further enhanced as the free DejaVu font family, supporting more of Unicode and also including more styles such as Condensed. But you can’t really count on them being available, though they could be useful as a preferred font using more common fonts as fallbacks.

    For modern web design, the CSS should be set up to include at least one “C” font, the nearest modern equivalent from Mac OS X, then older fallback fonts, and finally of course the standard HTML generic fallback font. For instance:

    • For sans-serif —font-family: "DejaVu Sans", "Bitstream Vera Sans", "Lucida Grande", Calibri, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
    • For serif —font-family: "DejaVu Serif", "Bitstream Vera Serif", "Hoefler Text", Cambria, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
    • For mono —font-family: "DejaVu Sans Mono", "Bitstream Sans Mono", Consolas, "Andale Mono", "Courier New", Courier, monospaced;

    Never include a font family such as Lucida Sans Unicode or Arial Unicode MS or Tahoma (or [*gag!*] Comic Sans MS) that lacks any of the four basic font-weight/style variants, unless you know that it will never need to display such variants (e.g. a font used only for a navigation menu that would never, never, never have any italicized text in it — to see why, just read this on a Windows system! It’s really ugly!).

    juan_g’s picture

    That issue on fonts for small text has just been fixed. It's now comfortably readable on Linux and Windows. It was already fine on Mac.

    rdoiron’s picture

    showing who's doing and saying what in the Drupal community. I'd be interested to know how you've done that. Is there an explanation for that somewhere?

    murtza’s picture

    Its really awesome....great work.

    Bubb1egum’s picture

    It looks ok but it will take a very long time for my eyes to get used to the new fonts. Being such a modern looking site it almost makes it look too normal. The current theme looks way more unique. I must be one of the few who would prefer if nothing changes. good work still

    NaX’s picture

    I assume I am jumping the gun here and there would be some sort of announcement with some Acknowledgments when the re-design is launched.

    But Considering the effort going into this re-design, I think regardless of people's opinions and discussions on mascots, logos and fonts, I feel the final launch should be accompanied with an Acknowledgment page in the a documentation section listing and acknowledging the people that did all the hard work. Maybe this can be accompanied with a write-up about the process and what lessons were learned about doing design and usability work for such a large community.

    I have already read some posts about this sort of thing as this process has evolved and some people have already been acknowledged. I just think collecting all this information into a single page, book or document would be a good idea.

    The1design.cn’s picture

    There is a little bug of font style on vision .
    The font look like not smooth enough browse in google chrome and firefox portable ver3.68 . but ie8 is well.
    However, this is a simple and clean design!
    I love!

    flashfasbo’s picture

    Nice work!

    agamesua’s picture

    It looks wonderful!

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    JordiTR’s picture

    I'm sorry to not praise everything, despite a very good layout, the colors are so pale, so soft-soft grays that on some LCD screens tend to vanish, so lack of contrast, such luck of "punch", so boring look, so minimalistic, so "white" that I only see letters on the screen and that my eyes gets stressed after a while. Well, IMHO.

    ranavaibhav’s picture

    i agree. It's very difficult to identify different regions/block of the site. Seems like there are no boundaries in between.

    Jackie Rana

    danielhonrade’s picture

    It's like a million times better than before! :D

    I think the design is well thought, straight forward, very clean, perfect for the community of developers. We don't need too much graphics calling for attention, which actually are the ones eye straining. The big search box is justified, I think, because almost all the time developers are searching for answers or solutions to their development issues.

    Congrats!

    Daniel Honrade, Jr.

    Freelance
    email: mail@danielhonrade.com

    foraker’s picture

    Fix these things and it will be awesome!

    Druplicon at top, please. I thought I was somehow at the wrong site! The text logo is far too generic.

    The old font was much easier to read in posts, issues, comments, and help text.

    Needs more borders around things. The tabs and minimal gray lines just aren't obvious enough and it's harder to find things.

    ThaboGoodDogs’s picture

    I've not been to drupal.org for a week or two so I had no idea the new site was going live. The first think I noticed that when I went to a page eg http://drupal.org/videocasts/installing-6 and read the blurb on the left then I then though now what. I did this for a few pages thinking that the pages for some reason were incomplete then I noticed the links in the right menu bar / column. There appears to be a disconnect between the main summary blurb and this sections? Perhaps the right section needs to be lower down or the summary blurb needs to fill the width of the page and have these links below the blurb? My 2c from a beginners mind :)

    But, the site look bloody beautiful so well done!

    Note: this is the first 3 minutes I've ever spent with the new site so perhaps this might be an issue for new users.

    Cheers
    Richard
    www.JacanaProductions.com

    greywolfsspirit’s picture

    At least give us a way of going back to our preferred version of the look. Some of us have been using the old layout, we know exactly where we need to go to get what we're looking for.. now it took me 30 minutes just to find my issues I was working with.. The interface is confusing as anything. There should have been a transition model given, letting people know how to use the new toolbars and such: where to go for certain things that USED to be on the main page. The overall switch over should have been handled a lot better than just flip a switch and expect everyone to fully understand it right on the fly.

    Yeah, maybe most people do like the new layout.. but I'm certain there are more people than just me that would rather have the old method back. Give us the option of selecting which we prefer to have, that's all I'm asking.

    gusgsm1’s picture

    I am a frequent user / visitor of drupal.org. It took me about a real minute to find where the news were. I miss a straight link to them in the front page. They were in the front page up to now and they have been swept from there. Yep, cleaner look but... Couldn't we have somewhere a straight link to the news page?

    And I think newcomers to Drupal would benefit from that as well.

    Thanks.

    NaX’s picture

    I am having a similar problem with promoted showcases. Before they were promoted to the front page and if you missed one you could just scroll down and see if it's something that interests you.

    Now they are promoted to the Sites Made with Drupal block but not the news section so there is no history to promoted showcases.

    EG: WikiWeightWatcher.com is currently being promoted on the front page, but Metabolife.com is the last showcase to be found under news.

    Am I missing something? Is there a new section just for promoted showcases?
    I really enjoy learning from showcases but don't have the time to go through the main showcases forum.

    Bubb1egum’s picture

    +1 Totally agree. All they care about are developers. Site looks very plain and confusing to me now. I only want information on D.org, I don't care about developers.

    WorldFallz’s picture

    I don't care about developers.

    interesting point of view...

    who exactly is it that you think provides you this amazing tool for free?

    every time i think i've seen the single most ignorant comment that could exist on drupal.org someone steps up with another. unbelievable.

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    xjm’s picture

    I read it as sarcasm... At least, I hope it's sarcasm!

    Bubb1egum’s picture

    It was indeed sarcasm my friend. All I need from this site is; information and Dries Buytaert.

    joel_guesclin’s picture

    Well for the moment I like it. I've used Drupal for a number of years (though I'm not able to contribute like I used to, partly because it's moved a bit beyond my competence level), and that means for me the site is a tool, the look is only important inasmuch as it helps me find my way around. And on balance, after a few moments of confusion, it does that, and I like the airier look which is easier to read also. Well done to everybody!
    One question: it seems to run much faster. Is the site running on D7? Or did you manage to do something to get it to run faster? I would love to know as this is my major beef at the moment on my own sites.

    yareckon’s picture

    After using the new site for 24 hours, I can say that it is a real facelift. Good work.

    Real problems:
    1. Say you are on a module issues page, http://drupal.org/project/issues/util?categories=All . Now, look for the way back to the module page... yes, it's the smallest link on the page hidden behind the title. A module *is* a subsection, it should brand the page much more than the silly "Download & Extend" Section header and subnavigation. Get that stuff out of the way once I am down to the module level.

    2. Much too low contrast and too small of font everywhere. It's a big usability issue. And I have great vision.

    3. News is totally buried. Before the whole community was "on the same page" so to speak. Now you have to hunt like crazy for what is going on. Make News and Planet Tabs next to the Homepage tab. Yes, I know you can customize your dashboard, but the whole point of "news" is that it's a SHARED "what's going on", not a customized one.

    yareckon’s picture

    1) addressed in this issue http://drupal.org/node/869936#comment-3598644

    2) they have already upped the font size once, although it remains too small at least for those of us thrown back to Arial. http://drupal.org/node/509050

    3) No issue for #3

    momper’s picture

    thanks to everybody, that was involved in this ...

    two remarks:

    - the informative frontpage with news is gone - where can i find this?
    - the font-sizes are still much to small ...

    Heine’s picture

    News is on the frontpage in the block to the right of the map. You can clickthrough for more news.

    The font issue is currently discussed in http://drupal.org/node/912936. Please do not add a "font is waaay to small" followup there without actually contributing something to the discussion.

    emnzava’s picture

    What version of Drupal is used with this new theme?

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    Heine’s picture

    xxparanormalxx’s picture

    I agree the site looks great. I'm fond of it.

    But I'm really against the sentiment that Drupalicon is a mascot and therefore shouldn't be with the logo. In fact, like everyone else, the Drupal "logo" looks bland. You need an icon to brand too. I admit I was somewhat confused at first and thought I went to the wrong site until I checked the URL again.

    Bring it back or incorporate it into the background or something. But it really needs to be there beyond the favicon. That mascot is what has already BRANDED Drupal. Iconic! Recognizable! Trusted! All these words already associated with said mascot it part of the branding.

    Also, "community plumbing" is way better.

    dreamleaf’s picture

    It can't be just me, but I love having the user dashboard available everywhere. I really used to get annoyed having to scroll the right column to find the "my account" link, then have to "track" my recent stuff.

    Great!

    foraker’s picture

    Yes, LOVE the dashboard! :D

    Ooh, you changed the font back to Verdana! And there was much rejoicing, it's so much easier to read now. (Firefox on Windows, currently)

    JohnWoltman’s picture

    I just want to say that the new "Your Dashboard" page is a great idea, and very useful. Thanks for all the hard work with the redesign.

    fehin’s picture

    How was the map at the bottom made?

    ltwinner’s picture

    Two usability issues that need to be addressed. Basically it now takes twice as many clicks to perform some (very common) actions that used to take one click on the old site.

    1). It should take one click to get to the forums from the frontpage.
    2). As there is no longer a login box permanently on display, you should at least give an ajax popup to let people login without having to load a whole new page.

    An interface issue, this is v important imo - The forum is way harder to read now that it is squeezed into a much smaller section thanks to the 'new forum topics' sidebar. There is actually more space given to the topic names in the sidebar than there is in the forum itself. It's a pain to read. Please get rid of the unneccessary sidebar. If a 'New topics' sidebar was a good idea you would see it on every other forum out there. You don't because they take up too much space and impact the readability of the forum.

    Seriously look at the readability of the drupal forum compared to -
    http://forum.joomla.org/viewforum.php?f=430
    http://wordpress.org/support/forum/how-to-and-troubleshooting
    and every single vbulletin/phpbb forum out there.

    This needs to be addressed. I used to read drupal's forums every day but it's really putting me off having to strain to make out basic stuff like a topic name.