I know this is a minor issue in the grand scheme of things, but it would be nice if drupal.com could redirect to drupal.org, instead of throwing a "You don't have permission to access / on this server." error. Just sayin'...

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Michael M’s picture

we don't own drupal.com. Search the forums for conversations with the domain owner not wanting to transfer ownership.

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yngens’s picture

Actually, on http://whois.domaintools.com/drupal.com it is seen that drupal.com also belongs to Dries.

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jim_at_miramontes’s picture

Right -- I had done the whois checks, and saw that the owners were the same. Hence my original post.

Michael M’s picture

here is the announcement: http://drupal.org/node/86768

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Leeteq’s picture

Until Dries has decided on what to use Drupal.com for, I think there should be a page with a brief statement and a link to Drupal.org. Not an automatic redirect. Good for the coming new site to have a statement of its own to clarify things.

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crbassett’s picture

It would be advisable to have something like this in the meantime.

ChrisKennedy’s picture

Agreed, this still needs to be fixed.

sepeck’s picture

The suggested redirect 'solution' is assuming that something is broken. It is not broken. If Dries put a redirect there and then decided to do something else with the domain later the hue and cry would be loud. As it is, people need to correctly type their link. :)

-Steven Peck
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Test site, always start with a test site.
Drupal Best Practices Guide -|- Black Mountain

-Steven Peck
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Test site, always start with a test site.
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ChrisKennedy’s picture

The initial comment isn't asking for a redirect, it's asking for a paragraph (or even sentence) explanation with a link to drupal.org.

Christefano-oldaccount’s picture

The current text on http://drupal.com/ is so geeky I think I'm almost embarrassed to be a Drupal developer.

It's all a conspiracy. We're hiding everything from you... or maybe the file doesn't actually exist. hmmm....

Or maybe you should make sure you typed the URL correctly...

Until Drupal is more marketing-savvy, I'm avoiding using the name in my marketing materials.

sepeck’s picture

Excellent.

Drupal.com is not related to drupal.org. Drupal in general does not market itself. Developers who build sites do. Of course, if accurate URL's are difficult then it may be a problem for you.

-Steven Peck
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Test site, always start with a test site.
Drupal Best Practices Guide -|- Black Mountain

-Steven Peck
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Test site, always start with a test site.
Drupal Best Practices Guide

Christefano-oldaccount’s picture

Perhaps you think you're being witty, but you seem to miss the mark with your unnecessary insult. Accurate URLs are difficult for non-technical users, and my point is that I won't be indiscriminately gushing about Drupal -- at least not to clients -- in the likely event that they go to the wrong domain.

By the time you explain to them that drupal.com is not related to drupal.org, a first impression has already been made.

sepeck’s picture

Why do your clients care if you are using Drupal? Are you 'selling' Drupal services or are you selling web site development and you happen to be using Drupal? You could easily sell them on the numerous benefits of you building their site with Drupal but that's your job and what you get paid for.

Drupal only recently got itself a non profit but even with that, all and everything done is done by people you don't pay. So a 'chastisement' and 'threat' such as your post was boring and not all that interesting. Perhaps if you instead offered to write some marketing material? Something constructive instead of a wagging finger at people you don't know.

And no, actually, I was not being 'witty', I was giving you an honest reaction to your post. I'd have spent more time if I was trying to be 'witty'.

-Steven Peck
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Test site, always start with a test site.
Drupal Best Practices Guide -|- Black Mountain

-Steven Peck
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Test site, always start with a test site.
Drupal Best Practices Guide

Christefano-oldaccount’s picture

When your honest reactions border on being abusive, please just keep them to yourself. This is getting offtopic and I don't want to spend time debating what is obvious to me, so you can have the last word if you want.

sepeck’s picture

Me abusive? I wasn't insulting you, merely being honest about how boring your chastisement of everyone was. You attacked the community first.

Last word is fine with me.

Please contribute this marketing material you speak of.

-Steven Peck
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Test site, always start with a test site.
Drupal Best Practices Guide -|- Black Mountain

-Steven Peck
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Test site, always start with a test site.
Drupal Best Practices Guide

Captain Nemo’s picture

Mr. Peck,

I've been reading for a long time, and am now moved to write. I saw no threat or attack on the community: only a post on making Drupal more accessible to a wider non-technical audience.

>>Me abusive?

You may not know how abrasive some of your posts appear. We need to build community and share information, not attack or annoy our supporters or each other.

Please be careful not to inadvertently lose good, politely framed feedback on how we can make Drupal more widely used and understood. People will refrain from posting ideas if they fear being poked at or ridiculed for raising issues.

>>boring your chastisement of everyone was

Your advanced knowledge and long tenure in this community lend weight and credence to your posts. You more than most are in a position to advance Drupal. Please stay focused on the issues and we can get more done.

All the best,

Michael

Please give love.<\h1>

sepeck’s picture

Generally I am merely brief. People have sent me various emails over time explaining and telling me what kind of person I am because of this. Often these are not things I could let my children read so generally I ignore them.

As you are politely lecturing me I shall explain my reaction and you'll probably still think I am wrong but we can still go our separate ways.

Drupal.com has no relationship to Drupal.org. None. At all. Dries holds drupal.org in trust for the community. It was a project he and some others started and he treats it as such. Drupal.com was given to him about a year ago for his personal or professional use (ie not drupal.org) after various domain squatters held it for long terms by someone who purchased it for not a small amount of money. drupal.com does not belong to the community nor does it have a relationship to it. This is an important distinction.

This is much like www.blkmtn.net has no relation to www.blkmtn.org and whitehouse.gov has none with whitehouse.com. If my family/friends type the wrong domain name in their browser, then I am not embarrassed, I merely tell them the correct url. For several years if people typed in drupal.com they saw a domain squatter. Later they saw someone else's site (it's in the forums someone if you are interested).

Now I am annoyed about why someone is "almost embarrassed" of using or admitting they use Drupal because a domain not connected with the community has some odd 404 text. I did not attack this person. I responded to them.

This person made what I read as a conditional demand (until Drupal is more marketing-savvy) and a threat (avoiding the name in marketing materials) to the community of volunteers until some action was taken. Why would the community care about this demand and threat?

My honest reaction was in no way insulting or abusive. I admit it does appear to be strong in retrospect but it is still something I would say in person. The poster in question does not seem to have liked it, but I did not like his post either.

In the end we can move on.

-Steven Peck
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Test site, always start with a test site.
Drupal Best Practices Guide -|- Black Mountain

-Steven Peck
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Test site, always start with a test site.
Drupal Best Practices Guide

Christefano-oldaccount’s picture

This issue looks resolved now. Dries updated the info at http://drupal.com/ sometime today and the message is much more clear.

The Drupal community can be reached at http://drupal.org. -- Dries

PS: working on a better landing page.

Thanks, Dries!

Dries’s picture

If you want to help me craft a better explanation, get in touch with my by e-mail. Thanks.

MGParisi’s picture

This page is number 1 in page rank when searching drupal.com! WOOT! So if your like me and typed drupal.com in the wrong text box... Well now you know! ITS THE ONE WITH THE HTTP://

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Drupal.com can not be found!

christefano’s picture

Dries just posted an update about this at http://buytaert.net/drupal-com-to-get-a-facelift