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By alexus on
My organization is looking to replace our current CMS with another CMS. So far we have two strong candidates: Drupal and eZ Publish. They leaning towards eZ Publish, but in my opinion that's a mistake as I think Drupal is a better way to go. I'm not very familiar with neither of CMS, but I've seen a lot of sites running Drupal and none running eZ Publish, so for whatever reason(s) folks went with Drupal. Would that be possible for someone to shows some pros and cons why is it better to go with Drupal and not eZ Publish?
I'd highly appreciate that!
Comments
Yes, Drupal is a better way to go.
How large is your site and what are the new requirements? Did you try both CMS.
I spent last 3-4 months with Modx, Silverstripe, Movable Type, Wordpress, Joomla, etc. Today I tried eZ Publish CMS and not impressed with it. eZ Publish CMS's size is big.
These days I am making a site with Drupal. Drupal’s core modules are sufficient and perfect to build a small website. There are many free modules available for Drupal.
Yes, Drupal is a better way to go.
1) Drupal's size is very small.
2) You can find a lot of books and study material on Drupal in the market.
3) You can trust Drupal more. Many big sites are running on Drupal.
4) You will not find a donation logo or icon on the front page of Drupal. I believe Drupal’s financial position is good. :-)
5) With Drupal, you can enjoy the Driver's seat. Yes, Steering and breaks (controls) of your website is in your hand.
If you have time, please go to http://buytaert.net/ (Site of the Drupal’s original creator) for better idea.
Good luck.
Nihonsei
Some pointers and questions to help you
Hi,
I stumbled upon your post and thought i could help you increase your awareness on eZ Publish. Just trying to give you a few hints on the solution you seem to know least.
I know it was used for building large media websites like www.caranddriver.com, www.elle.fr, www.premiere.fr. Some others used it for intranets (France Telecom R&D, largest R&D center in France), the french ministry of defense is there, cooks like it as well. More refs here, that should help you get the big picture of what eZ Publish can be used for.
They also have an active OSS community there, and, but i am sure you already clicked this one, you can try the product here.
A few comparisons online :
One criticism made in the first link above is their poor release pace (eZ Publish's). It appears now that they have drastically changed this, and do strictly respect a twice-a-year, fixed-date release plan.
I hope it helped a bit. This is no intent to advertise in any manner, but just giving you enough information to help you make a choice. I like both solutions, but tend to use ezp more often professionally.
Cheers,
Re: Drupal vs eZ Publish
Hi alexus,
I've been around for about 7 years in the OS CMS communities, been Joomla core team member and currently member of the http://share.ez.no team. That should back up my opinion a bit, I hope ;)
I'm a fan of CMS's such as Joomla!, Drupal, Wordpress and of course also eZ Publish. I'm not going to say you need to use ONE specific product. I strongly believe that for each project, one CMS fit's best, and this can be a different one each time.
Now about pros and cons; both have good professional support in case required, so that won't be much of a problem during your selection. The learning curve for eZ might be a might higher, this was recently discussed on the eZ community forum also. I can provide you with more info on that if required.
One specific pro for eZ I'd like to mention is it's well proven and documented multi-server (redundancy/performance) setup.
As to features, both CMS's are shipped very complete, although I personally miss the support of putting Images into content within Drupal. This is default and very user friendly in eZ, especially for editors.
Other than that, as mentioned, a lot of features available in both such as ACL (Roles), Multi lingual, Blog, Forum and more. All of those features our usable out of the box.
eZ was recently compared to a few other CMS's along with Drupal, see http://cms-software-review.toptenreviews.com/
With regards to sites running on eZ, check out the case studie section on http://ez.no/customers/case_studies. And for some more eZ Flow real life examples see http://serwatka.net/blog/ez_flow_the_real_life_examples.
If you need more information on a certain topic/feature, let me know and I'll try to dig it up.
Kind regards, Robin
Drupal 6.15 vs ezpublish-4.2.0
ezpublish-4.2.0 full-with_ezc-gpl
Requirements: http://ez.no/ezpublish/requirements
Size: 73.2 MB (Unziped)
6,275 files, 1,560 folders
Installation time: 15-20 minutes***
There are many in-built features in ezpublish.
You have to write a robots.txt file.
Drupal 6.15
Requirements: http://drupal.org/requirements
Size : 3.27 MB (Unziped)
463 files, 56 folders
Installation time: 3-5 minutes***
You need to customize Drupal as per your requirement.
There is a robots.txt file.
Drupal is easy to install.
***files downlaod time, uploading time, time taken to create a MYSQL database are not included.
Seems to be a similar
Seems to be a similar topic/discussion i started last year in the eZPublish forum. See this link: http://share.ez.no/forums/general/smalltalk-what-is-cms-list-of-cms-my-2...
eZPublish is not listed in default-cms-shootouts and cannot be compared with joomla/drupal because you cannot compare apples with bananas. Therefore its not listed/known by the-normal-cms-users out there.
eZPublish's primary sector is to be used in portals, organisations, companys, ...bigger installations and therefore offers much (is versatile, flexible, which inherits a bit of complexity ...).
With Drupal you gonna get results in a few minutes without having to edit templates or install too much extension and stuff like that. Also getting up and running with Drupal does not really needs a full blown Server - in fact its possible to install it on a shared host. eZPublish at least needs a virtual server to be used correctly/seriously. What i want to say is, that there a different types of customers for each of those CMS/WCMF.
eZPublish is more likely to be met in professional installations, print agencies, government stuff and so on. Drupal has a strong/large community and can be used for professional and huge sites too - but its more easy to set up a blog and therfore fits perfect for the normal-website-guy building a homepage and is more known by a wider audience... I think.
eZPublish needs more insight on how to geht things done. But when you know how things work, you can realize a lot more then you could do with drupal.
> He among others says he could not spot any site made with eZ Publish
Thats why eZPublish uses modern SEO thechnoligies and renders some ass-kicking urls. It also does not put its disclaimer in every template/footer which says "i am powered by ezpublish, click here to know more about me. please...".
I even have to smile about company-websites using joomla as their cms. I can say what website is using joomla as underlying cms just by looking at the generated urls. This is so unique and dumb...
But thats another topic.
the right tool for the right job
cheers,
chris
Right tool for the job sums it up.
I was lost in the CMS jungle just a couple years ago. Had to do something, choices were Drupal or eZ. Drupal very tempting because one click install on many web hosting services. I had looked at eZ a couple times and could never wrap my mind around it.
Started digging deeper into the codebases and got hooked on eZ. Extraordinary clean code layout that allows rapid development, all the bases for an enterprise level CMS covered in base install. Drupal, extensions of various quality to sort through to get it to where I wanted it.
That said, know your limitiations, know the scope of what you want to achieve. Drupal obviously works well for many a project.
IMHO eZ is more like a 4GL or 5GL programming language for the Web. Once you learn to use it above the level of the underlying code and databases, the possibilites really start opening up. The speed at which the project is progressing demonstrates extraordinary focus on simplifying the process of getting content to the Web in enterprise level settings.
The know your limitations part is that if you can't handle the command line, don't grasp concepts like reading logs or debug screens, your past experience is copy and paste while working inside a framework like CS, you may find eZ more of a learning experience than you have time to handle.
Good luck with whichever you choose. Know your limitiations, or know somebody that can fill in the gaps for you.
My recap of eZ and the CMS decision process at webportalmaster.com/CMS
Cheers!
Going to convert my drupal site into eZ Publish.
After reading some articles related to eZ Publish. I have decided to convert my live Drupal site into eZ Publish for one week (if I like eZ Publish, I will not come back to Drupal).
I know it is a big risk and time taking job for me to convert my live website to eZ Publish. My site is already lost yahoo Japan top 5th positions with “日本製" keyword as I converted my site from HTML to Drupal last month. Now it is at 23rd position in Yahoo Japan. In Google Japan it is at 309th position with same keyword “日本製”. It may be because of template issue. But I am 100% satisfied with Drupal.
Let's see eZ Publish power and their helpful community. I will write my unbiased views after some time in this post.
eZ Publish is difficult to install on a share host.
I am trying to upload ezPublish through FTP on my share host. Very difficult to upload 72.3 MB software through FTP. So many failed transfers through FileZilla.
Difficult to ride on an elephant (eZ Publish)
Difficult to ride an elephant (eZ Publish)
After some struggle I installed eZ Publish on a live server. It took more than 2 hours to upload and install.
No doubt eZ Publish is difficult to use, but it is faster than Drupal (may be template issue). I am not going to delete my Drupal site. Let us see the performance differences.
http://www.nihonsei.jp/ (Drupal site)
http://www.nihonsei.jp/ezpublish/ (eZ Publish)(Link is removed) on 25th FEB 2010(I will delete eZ Pbulish by this week.) Difficult to customize site with eZ Publish, as I could not find the way. Unable to find out, where to edit company logo and Slogan, etc.With the help of online documentation, I was able to change logo.
Thanks to eZ Publish community for kind help and suggestions. They are very helpful and kind. Even I joined eZ Publish community. :-) I also wrote an eZ Publish installation guide in English (I am not a native English speaker, there may be many grammatical errors). http://ezpublishinstallation.wordpress.com/2010/02/25/how-to-install-ez-...
I hope this installation guide may help somebody who try to install eZ Publish for comparing Drupal.
I will write some more unbiased feedback about Drupal vs eZ Publish in coming weekend.
Positions in the CMS market
Hi alexus,
Found this article giving a hint on how the two solutions are positioned in the CMS market.
http://www.cmswire.com/cms/enterprise-cms/oracle-sun-what-it-means-for-content-management-006561.php
Check the part named "MySQL and the Database Market", 3rd paragraph.
Hope it helps,
Regards,
My feedback
I spent some more time with eZ Publish. I also played with Drupal 7.0-dev.
Drupal:
Drupal is a CMS. Drupal is very small size. Drupal is very easy to install. It is very easy to build a small website or blog with Drupal. But there is no in-built drop down menu. There is no in-built Meta tag field. After a fresh installation I have notice database size was 4MB (Drupal 7.0-dev), while in Drupal 6.16’s it was less than 2MB. It is difficult to configure for multilingual site in Drupal. I am not using CCK and View modules in my site, so I can not give my opinion about these features. There is a up-to-date online documentation. There is a well written robots.txt. With the help of xmlsitemap, it is easy to make a Google friendly sitemap.
eZ Publish:
eZ Publish is an Enterprise content management (ECM). eZ Publish size is very large size. eZ Publish is difficult to install. I am impressed with eZ Publish (Flow). No doubt it is a most powerful Open source ECM. (I can say it is far better than Joomla and Drupal). It has a powerful picture gallery feature. It is easy to embedding video. There are many other in-built features. But I do not know how to write a robots.txt file for eZ Publish software (Which file should I set to Disallow?). It is difficult to learn eZ Publish. There is a outdated online documentation. “URL path settings” is not found at the time of writing an article.
Conclusion: Both CMS can fulfill requirements to make a simple website. It is possible to build a simple website by yourself with Drupal or eZ Publish. I am not impressed with Drupal 7 dev (Drupal 7 - the future of Drupal, for that I am waiting for a long time).
Any CMS software is good for bogging. If we need a robust and powerful website, we require some extra knowledge and a team. It is impossible to make a big site like www.elle.fr (based on eZ Publish) or http://london.gov.uk/ (based on Drupal) with a single person effort.
I hope very soon we will see Joomla 1.6, eZPublish 4.3, Drupal 7.
There is a website http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ for CMS vs CMS. Where we can compare CMS’s features. I would like to say, before choosing any CMS first make a list of “What we want or what is our website’s requirements?”
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I never got much beyond testing ezpublish so I can't speak to a comparison, but that's simply not true.
didnt even know that ez
didnt even know that ez publish egzist hehe will check how its works
eZ Publish is the more
eZ Publish is the more powerful and better designed system. But that does not mean that for a specific project it is definitely the better option. Some of the new developments in Drupal ( such as CCK ) are beginning to close the gap somewhat and social networking extensions in Drupal are more readily available than is the case with eZ. For a service provider, eZ is probably a good choice because it can be used well with a very wide variety of projects. Although, you can have a site setup and working in a few minutes in eZ or Drupal, customisations will take much more time. And chances are that it will take more time to complete a sophisticated site on Drupal than on eZ. With eZ you can be confident that most of the functionality needed is already present, either in the core system or in a good quality free extension and what is not there can be built using it's powerful eZ Components library and confident that the internal architecture will allow for almost any requirement. However, the Drupal community seems much stronger than that of eZ (at the moment). In some countries it may be easier to find a Drupal development resource than one for eZ development, in other countries it may be the other way round. Documentation for developers new to eZ is very patchy. Once you understand the system properly, you're fine and can work magic, but getting there is tough with eZ. In a large corporate setting with ambitious CMS requirements, eZ is almost certainly the better investment, but check local availability of resource or use a remote development team.
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It looks like you are an expert on eZ Publish. That's great! However, I am curious as to your expertise on Drupal, and what your qualifications are for making a comparison. As a Systems Analyst, it looks like you are probably great at analyzing requirements and relating them to eZ Publish terminology, but that's about it when it comes to your experience (unless you reply otherwise).
Welcome to the Drupal community, vlc.
Edit: I didn't google enough. It looks like you are somewhat familiar with Drupal, but just a non-contributor. It looks like your company site has some newbie mistakes in it. I guess that's where you get your opinion from? Who knows? Citation still needed ;-)
Hi, I answer this question
Hi, I answer this question now in 2016 because I just came back from the presentation of the new version of our lab site.. in eZ Publish (and I have a discrete experience with Drupal).
In short, eZ Publish is very "French" (although Google Trends reports a -relative- strong usage also in Norway)..
For whatever reasons, there is an "obstinate" tendency here in France to avoid using mainstream international products and concentrate on "local" solutions (very good support of the French language must be one of the reasons): Spip, yaziba.. and eZ Publish are good examples.
But if you are outside France, Drupal is much less complicated to design a web site and to use it, especially D8 that now has in-line editing.. eZ Publish still uses the concept of back-office!
With Drupal you gonna get
With Drupal you gonna get results in a few minutes without having to edit templates or install too much extension and stuff like that. Also getting up and running with Drupal does not really needs a full blown Server - in fact its possible to install it on a shared host. eZPublish at least needs a virtual server to be used correctly/seriously. What i want to say is, that there a different types of customers for each of those CMS/WCMF.