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12 Jul 2019 at 16:45 UTC
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Comment #2
seanrCouple of articles here:
https://www.hotjar.com/blog/gender-inclusive-language-workplace
https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/08/guys-gender-neutral/5...
https://www.abc.net.au/life/is-it-time-to-stop-saying-you-guys-at-work/1...
https://www.dictionary.com/e/you-guys/ - from a dictionary site, no less. ;)
This self-described feminists makes the counterargument we saw in Slack:
https://brainsoverblonde.com/you-guys/
Comment #3
aburke626See #3067600.
From today's leadership meeting:
We discussed a blog post about this and agreed it is a good idea, but to perhaps wait a month or two so as not to have a troll uprising or moderation kerfuffle. We can absolutely work on writing it/compiling resources in the meantime!
Comment #4
rcheesleyA few more resources to add:
https://dev.to/kmelve/the-problem-with-you-guys-51h7
https://atlascorps.org/gender-inclusive-language-tips-respect-diversity/
https://www.vox.com/2015/6/11/8761227/you-guys-sexism-language
The resource linked below makes some points, e.g. imagine a world where we replaced gendered language with racist language such as:
Instead of saying ‘chairman’ or ‘you guys’, people would use ‘chairwhite’ and ‘you whiteys.’ People of colour would hear ‘all whites are created equal’ – and be expected to feel included. Substituting ‘white’ for ‘man’ makes it easy to see why using ‘man’ for all human beings excludes. If we cringe at ‘you whiteys’ and would protest such terms, why don’t we work as hard at changing ‘you guys’?
It also addresses some of the myths (I wasn't able to see the Slack comments referenced by the original post, yay lack of archives!) which might be helpful to lift/reference
https://www.dca.org.au/sites/default/files/dca_wordsatwork_overall_guide...
I'll get writing in a google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CGb9mQ2_Wnztzm6cXdInX4RycTzd-fxyIcMa...
Comment #5
rcheesleyI've made a start on a blog post and written it in a simple, factual way focusing on the impact of misgendering and the way that people in the community can help to build a community where everybody feels welcome.
I wasn't sure on the tone of voice for the blog, or how to close/end the article. I've included the resources linked above as references at the end of the article.
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rcheesleyComment #7
alexdmccabeComment #8
ekl1773Added some comments and few tiny typographical suggestions to the gdoc. Thank you for putting this together @RCheesley :)
Comment #9
rcheesleyThanks for the comments and suggestions, have added a few bits based on your thoughts, see what you think :)
Comment #10
rubyjiThank you, @RCheesley! The draft blog post looks great.
My only suggestion might be to add a bit near the beginning to frame this as just one of many ways that our choices of words can signal inclusion or the lack thereof.
Comment #11
sparklingrobots@RCheesley, this post is wonderful. I'm going to run it by the DDI leadership team tomorrow to get final approval, and then we'll publish it & let you know when it's ready.
THANK YOU!
Comment #12
laughnanPosted! https://www.drupaldiversity.com/blog/2020/why-guys-isnt-gender-neutral-o...
Comment #13
efpapado commented-- deleted by me, after talking with a drupalist friend and getting convinced that my point of view was wrong :)
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aburke626Comment #15
aburke626Comment #16
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Comment #17
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