Suspend yautja_cetanu temporarily

FWIW, -1 to this. I think yautja_cetanu is trying to constructively engage. I think a ban is unhelpful.

I think aporie is a troll and I don't care what he says or does. It's all going to /dev/null for me, now. I'll never read another comment from him again.

Thanks dww!

Late to the party, but I +1 @dww's -1. That leads to 0 (boolean false) about banning Jamie. He is acting in good faith and engaging like a reasonable person. I don't necessarily agree with his positions but there is zero reason to ban him.

Strongly do not agree with banning aporie, the issue tone lent itself to encouraging troll posts by being so inflamatory. I think apropie would behave better if things are going to calm down.

Hi. 👋 It's been awhile. Wish we were meeting under happier circumstances.

This merciless hounding of @yautja_cetanu and others driving AI forward in Drupal absolutely needs to stop. This is targeted bullying and harassment at this point. Furthermore, there's a significant "blast radius" being created by the tone and tenor in these issues.

I was sitting at a table yesterday in the contrib space at DrupalCon and one by one around the table of 4-5 people, they voiced that they are actively avoiding contributing to AI and Drupal because they are terrified they are going to get attacked publicly in this manner.

It's a tough time we're in. AI is disrupting everything. There are valid concerns on all sides. This is absolutely the time to double down on our core values, not throw them in a dumpster and start it on fire.

Knock it off.

I don't agree with the tone being used in these posts. This has become personal and no longer feels collaborative.

Public conflict like this has downsides for our community, it looks unwelcoming, discourages newcomers and can cause good contributors to quietly walk away as they don’t want to be caught in the crossfire.

May I add a little post-DrupalCon, er, postscript here?

I wore my "Proud AI Hater" t-shirt to Chicago, and I had many conversations about AI with people I respect (including Jamie). I spent a couple of hours on contrib day actively helping @webchick gather some institutional knowledge for the express purpose of helping agents enable quality contribution to Drupal.

I find myself having to hold two somewhat contradictory conclusions in a (for now) uncomfortable tango:

1. AI is very problematic in a great many ways. I don't personally like using the word "disrupt" because it has that kind of Silicon Valley bro connotation that makes my fists itchy, but AI has many troubling implications that I don't need to list here.
2. It's a damn useful tool for many developers a significant amount of the time. It has repeatedly demonstrated that usefulness, even to a hater like me. You can't ask me, or any other software engineer, to put aside useful tools that help me deliver value and quality.

Nobody I spoke to seemed to disagree with these things. We're all struggling with it. Personally, I think that the way forward is to accept these tools for the usefulness they offer, while also being the ones who own them. I would like to see the death of LLMs (as they currently exist) in favor of smaller models that are useful and well-tuned to particular tasks.

In other words, we hackers are the ones who should own this technology, not oligarchic str_repeat('insulting expletive', 1000)s. That does not, from my experience, appear to be a controversial or unpopular opinion.

It would serve Drupal extremely well to be a welcoming place for the hackers who feel that way. (Slop-makers and grifters can...well, I can't write what I would say in person, so let's go with "take a long walk off a short pier".)

Thank you all to remaining open and reasonable in face of these challenging discussions.

How tf are these comments almost a month old:

"I would like to see the death of LLMs (as they currently exist) in favor of smaller models that are useful and well-tuned to particular tasks."

I think it would be super good if the energy people had against AI got funnelled into passion towards this goal. It feels like an obvious uniting factor amongst people who contribute to open-source. I just saw an agricultural company got banned from Anthropic because one of their employees did something bad (they don't know who or what). The admins still have an API account that is usable but they don't have any reports because their e-mails are all banned organisation wide.

It doesn't even matter if Anthropic change and stop doing this, it matters that they can physically do it.

If AI doesn't matter, this doesn't matter. If what Anthropic are making is important, then it becomes important they its physically impossible for them to do this.

https://www.drupalforge.org/template/drupal-cms-ai-agents-testing-framework

We have a plan towards it here, but really it would be good if we had armies of people radically trying to use drupal and drupal.org to make this happen and fight the proprietary firms either building AI tooling or the models themselves.