Olivero Meeting 2021-12-06 [#3250645]

Meeting Agenda

Introductions
Status and what's next
Issue updates and discussion
Where can people help this week?
Discuss whether or not to continue these meetings

Meeting Details

Time: 3pm UTC (10am Eastern)
‬Meeting Location: #olivero channel on drupal.slack.com

Meeting Notes

Hello, welcome to this week’s Front-end theme Olivero meeting!• This meeting happens every other Monday at 2pm UTC (10am ET)• There is no audio or video -- this meeting is chat only• The conversations for this meeting happen in threads0️⃣ If you’re attending this meeting, please let us know here. The meeting agenda is on d.o: #3250645: Olivero Meeting 2021-12-06

mherchel	:wave: :sunrise: Good morning!
Sarah Corbine	Good morning. :wave:
thejimbirch	Happy Morning time
Andy	:wave:
cathwaldron	Good morning :wave:
shaal	Good morning :blob_wave:

1️⃣ Status and what's nextThis tread is for discussing the overall status of the Olivero initiative and where we're going in broad terms. We'll save specific issue discussions for later threads.

mtift	The META issue is here: #3177296: [META] Make Olivero stable
mherchel	:wave: We're still stable :stuck_out_tongue: Shortlist priorities include this one #3250357: Olivero: Elements within main content that have a high z-index will appear in front of mobile nav
mherchel	and it looks like there's a 10.0.x branch out! I hope to start ripping out some IE11 things on that
mherchel	Does anyone here have any time to start ripping things out? There's things like old polyfills etc. But the things highest on my list are removing the compilation of CSS variables
Sarah Corbine	Are there tickets for the polyfill stuff? I’m not seeing anything on #3177296: [META] Make Olivero stable
mherchel	Not yet. We need to create a meta issue. And then we can start creating sub issues :slightly_smiling_face:

2️⃣ Individual issue discussion

mtift	This thread is the place to bring up specific issues that need some extra discussion
mherchel	I don't have anything specific here. Anyone else?

3️⃣ Where can people help this week?

mtift	Share your suggestions here
cathwaldron	I will try to look at the two z-index issues and may then ask for help to properly contribute any progress or solution.

4️⃣ Discuss whether or not to continue these meetings

mtift	We have been doing these meetings for a few years, and they have served us well
mtift	However, recent meetings (including this one) have not consisted of much discussion
mtift	I'm not sure if these are providing value to people and I'm thinking about stopping them
mherchel	I'm indifferent. I don't get much value out of it, but if other folks do, I'm more than happy to continue having them
Andy	I think the biggest benefit these meetings have right now is a periodic reminder that there is still work to be done, and providing space for Mike to outline what needs prioritized (edited)
Andy	I don’t know that a full meeting of this type is needed, but I do think it would be valuable to have a weekly/bi-weekly “Here’s what we still need to focus on”
thejimbirch	I agree with Andy. I like to see the In progress, needs review, upcoming aspect information that you don't see in the issue queue.
mtift	Other options I've considered are (1) just a weekly "office hours" kind of thing where perhaps Mike would just be available to answer questions (I haven't asked Mike about this :slightly_smiling_face:) , (2) monthly or bi-monthly meetings, and (3) just posting more in the Slack channel to point folks to issues the need help
mtift	For the record, I, too, am fine continuing with them if others are getting benefit
mherchel	:man-shrugging: I'm up for whatever
Andy	@mtift maybe pop a poll into the channel (not this thread) and let it sit for a few days?
mtift	Sure, I could do that
thejimbirch	That being said, I see that there hasn't been much activity in these meetings. I tend to agree with Mr Tift. I like the approch of #3, just a weekly status message would probably be enough.
mherchel	DR Tift :laughing:
thejimbirch	OH!
mherchel	He didn't go to evil medical school for nothing
thejimbirch	Many apologies!
mherchel	hahaha
thejimbirch	^ evil laugh ^^
cathwaldron	As a newcomer I find it valuable to know where I might be able to help. Often by the time I look at something, it has already been completed by someone else, but then I can see what was done and learn from it. Since Okivero will be the default, this team is well positioned for newcomers to grasp the issues and learn how to become involved. But I can see this also is possibly a drag on the team.
mherchel	I don't feel its a drag
mherchel	and one of the goals of these meetings is to help onboard new contributors
mtift	Has that happened recently? ^^
Andy	:wave:
mherchel	I'd say yeah
mherchel	but there's less to be done now since we've reached stable
mherchel	but that's also going to change as there's a lot of things do do for D10
mherchel	ripping out IE is going to be a big chore and a lot of our improvements are going to depend on that
cathwaldron	We newcomers lurk and try to learn, the impact is larger than just those brave enough to wave :wave: and attempt to navigate the contribution steps. But monthly frequency might be fine, for all the purposes mentioned.
mtift	@mherchel It seems like you are providing the most value here. How would you feel about just posting a status update at this time every other week, mentioning places where people can help, and offering to answer questions? Basically what we do now without an official agenda. We could call it "Olivero office hours." That seems like it might be more inviting. If that slows contributions or have any other negative effects, we can bring back the regular cadence of these meetings.
mherchel	@mtift that sounds good to me! Maybe we can keep the same cadence, but make it more of an "office hours" thing that was suggested before
mherchel	keep the same time/place etc.
mherchel	But stop doing the meeting notes and Drupal.org issues
mherchel	thoughts?
mtift	I like the idea of literally "not having an agenda" :slightly_smiling_face:
thejimbirch	Will this slack ever turn back to the free version with messages going away?
thejimbirch	If not, I like not taking notes and passing them to d.o issues is fine.
mherchel	good question
thejimbirch	I'm not sure how it came about, whether it was just the pandemic, or some other open-source goodwill...
Andy	if only we knew someone on the DA
mtift	Well, ideally Olivero work is documented in the actual issues
mtift	I think the idea with the office hours is to help people fill in gaps from the issue queue