:wave: Hi, and welcome to the weekly meeting of the Experience Builder initiative. :tada:

guptahemant Hi everyone
lauriii :wave: Hey!
wimleers (he/him) :wave:

0️⃣ Who is here today? Comment in the thread to introduce yourself. We’ll keep the meeting open for 24 hours for all time zones.

griffynh Whoops misssed this one! Griff, Aus :wave:
larowlan lee, Aus :kookaburra:
Kristen Pol (she/her) Kristen, California :wave:
kimb0 Kim, AU :wave::skin-tone-2:
guptahemant Hemant from India
DanielVeza Daniel :wave:
Akhil Bhandari :raised_hands: Akhil - Au
lendude Len, lurking
lauriii Lauri, Finland! :wave:
acbramley Kia ora :the_horns: Adam
brianperry Brian, following along from Chicago.
timbozeman Tim, California :wave:
Bálint Kléri Hello, Balint here from the Netherlands! :wave::skin-tone-2:
cellardoor Hi all - Chris in Seattle(ish)
wimleers (he/him) :wave:  Wim, from Ghent :european_castle:
dharizza Hi! Dharizza, from Costa Rica :slightly_smiling_face: :wave:
penyaskito Christian, Andalusia, Spain, catching up, not much to report

1️⃣ Do you have suggested topics you are looking to discuss? Post in this thread, and we’ll open threads for them as appropriate.

griffynh How can we run this more like a project? Thread to discuss ideas.
griffynh Updates on UX / Wireframes progress?
griffynh Milestone 0.1.0 ticket - What are the next steps here? Should we make tickets based on this and this spreadsheet?
larowlan Can we chat about the component config entity and how it will handle things that aren't SDCs
smustgrave For the very end but would like suggesting a new time alternating time for the meeting next week. Thursday 9:30AM EST = 1:30pm UTC time
Kristen Pol (she/her) https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C072JMEPUS1/p1718191451181019
Kristen Pol (she/her) (See discussion in the thread)
larowlan also referenced in https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C072JMEPUS1/p1718235061505039
Bálint Kléri Hello! I thought I’d mention this thread here: https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C072JMEPUS1/p1717766141015379.

2️⃣ Subtopic 1: Theme builder

3️⃣ Subtopic 2: Page builder frontend

4️⃣ Subtopic 3: Data model/persistence layer

larowlan related https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C072JMEPUS1/p1718235330981739
guptahemant I think layout builder especially when used in manage display has a good structure, maybe it can be used as a starting point?

5️⃣ I’m not sure where to start, but want to contribute to Experience Builder.

larowlan We need help from FE devs to build a design system based on the new Drupal brand - #3454125: Implement temporary design system for the DrupalCon Barcelona demo
larowlan #3452512: Add component instance edit form to contextual panel needs some help with backend work
lauriii There's also #3453087: Allow panning with a trackpad and have one scrollbar in canvas which would be a great issue for a JavaScript developer
wimleers (he/him) Create an Open API spec for the current mock HTTP requests
wimleers (he/him) Make store API paths/uris configurable via environment variables

6️⃣ Wins - what wins have you had since the last meeting? Share your successes!

larowlan the canvas interaction work from @Jesse @hooroomoo is :heart_eyes:
acbramley I am finally starting to get my head around #3440578: [PP-2] JSON-based data storage proposal for component-based page building :sweat_smile:
wimleers (he/him) @acbramley Would love to read/hear your thoughts/observations! :nerd_face:

7️⃣ Are any sync meetings required this week?

larowlan I would be keen to have a sync call with @Jesse @wimleers (he/him) to talk about AST for #3453690: [META] Real-time preview: supporting back-end infrastructure
larowlan I think we probably need a sync call with @wimleers (he/him) @catch @gabesullice @effulgentsia myself and @lauriii to get some consensus on #3440578: [PP-2] JSON-based data storage proposal for component-based page building
lauriii I would be keen to have a sync call with @Jesse @wimleers (he/him) to talk about AST for [#3453690]I know Jesse is out until Tuesday and Wim will be out from Friday next week onwards. Maybe we could set this up between Tue and Thu next week?
larowlan Sounds good
timbozeman Can I come to the Real-time preview: supporting back-end infrastructure meeting please?I used HTML comments when making an in browser twig template editor and attributes when making LB+ and an inline editor Edit+. An AST sure sounds like a good idea!
lauriii @timbozeman it might be really hard to organize it at a time that works for you given that we already have folks joining from Europe and Australia
lauriii @timbozeman if you share your email in PM, I can add you to the invite
timbozeman Ah yeah.  Timezones. No worries!
lauriii Invite sent!
lauriii I'm sure there's going to be notes we can share :slightly_smiling_face:

8️⃣ Weekly updates - What have you been working on? What’s up next? Need assistance with anything? Any blockers? (edited) 

larowlan I've been focussing on reviews and ci things. Keen to get back to AST work
guptahemant Getting familiar with ecosystem and going through all the conversations to understand the architecture
DanielVeza Been busy the last week or so so no major updates. Catching up now and keen to start tackling some issues :slightly_smiling_face:
Kristen Pol (she/her) Getting acclimated to all-things-Starshot (aka the Starshot firehose) over the last few weeks
lauriii Last couple weeks a lot of my focus was on Starshot. This week I've started moving my focus back on Experience Builder. Started by defining the DrupalCon Barcelona demo milestone in more detail in #3450592: [META] Front-end Kanban issue tracker. Will be doing the same for the backend work in collaboration with @wimleers (he/him) in the upcoming week.

1️⃣.1️⃣ “How can we run this more like a project? Thread to discuss ideas.”

griffynh So a few things:I added a What have you been working on thread to clarify what is happening in the initiative?If people find it useful or are working on it regularly, it could be automated and posted daily.I added a Reminder to update the CK thread so that this becomes the main source of truth/where are we up to?Any other suggestions to clarify what’s happening and where people can jump in?
larowlan there's a slack bot for daily standup we could consider
Kristen Pol (she/her) I like both of these
Kristen Pol (she/her) And the thread on how to jump in as new person :heart_eyes:
Kristen Pol (she/her) Perhaps add blockers? Or is that covered and I missed?
Kristen Pol (she/her) Pretty standard in a standup
Kristen Pol (she/her) Could be tacked on“8️⃣ Weekly updates - What have you been working on? What’s up next? Need assistance with anything? Any blockers?”
griffynh Good thinking, I’ll add that
guptahemant Also maybe when we setup the standup bot, add a link to contrib kanban for easier track of the progress

1️⃣.2️⃣ “Updates on UX / Wireframes progress?”

cellardoor @larowlan is this the space we want to discuss the design system? I can take a first take at breaking the figma page apart into atomic components so we know what we'll need to start with
Kristen Pol (she/her) the official design system or demo? #3454125: Implement temporary design system for the DrupalCon Barcelona demo
cellardoor https://www.figma.com/design/aADVsc8fdsENnUaKePvVpg/Experience-Builder-D... this apart into the design system components (and atomic structure) so we can know what components we need to implement for the demo
cellardoor but more specifically the answer there is: yes? I think the demo should have a small design system to power it then we extend that out to have the built-in design system. That way we're not wasting any of the work done for the demo
Kristen Pol (she/her) please weigh in on that demo issue then if you would as that is a discussion point
cellardoor Must have missed your comments there - is the plan now for civictheme to be the design system for XB?
Kristen Pol (she/her) That is one proposal for the demo at least… the other proposal so far is perhaps building from scratch… feel free to chime in on that issue with thoughts :+1:

1️⃣.3️⃣ “Milestone 0.1.0 ticket - What are the next steps here? Should we make tickets based on this and this spreadsheet?”

larowlan It would be good to agree if we want this to be backed by a drupal site or to rely on MSW to mock the data model
lauriii I believe we should be keeping this as close to the real thing as possible – we want to showcase a realistic experience. @wimleers (he/him) and @bnjmnm told me yesterday that if we wanted to do this with mock data, we would have to re-implement lots of things from Drupal in order to provide a realistic experience on top of the mock data model. Based on that, I said that we probably should then just use a Drupal site to back the demo
lauriii This doesn't mean that we couldn't have a mock version that is more limited which we use for development and other purposes
wimleers (he/him) That is, if the widgets are to be powered by existing Field Widgets — how else would we be able to use the corresponding form markup and massage that back into the value shapes needed? We’d have to mimic all that in MSW.

1️⃣.4️⃣ “Can we chat about the component config entity and how it will handle things that aren’t SDCs”

larowlan at the moment the component config entity is tightly bundled to an SDC but it feels like we need to support other things - like blocks (views, menus). Making this plugable could also mean a bridge for paragraphs users
larowlan it feels like there's a concept of a plugin in here, like we have for media-types + media sources
lauriii Yes, we definitely need to support other types of components too. Blocks and Layouts  (besides SDCs) are the two examples I have in mind we'd probably support from the get go.
lauriii @larowlan Would you like to file an issue for this?
lauriii Just saw that @Pierre (pdureau) was coming to a similar conclusion in #3454173: Media Library integration (includes introducing a new main content renderer/`_wrapper_format`)#comment-15637780 :slightly_smiling_face:
wimleers (he/him) Yes, we’ll need all that. We needed to start somewhere though, hence currently 1:1 tied to SDCs.
wimleers (he/him) This seems like a naming challenge, @lauriii? What would be the umbrella term for:SDCsblockslayouts… more things still?
Pierre (pdureau) What would be the umbrella term?Renderables?
wimleers (he/him) "Developer-created components": mark which SDCs should be exposed in XB was but a tiny stepping stone, and the next step is Allow specifying default props values when opting an SDC in for XB, to ensure that when a user drags an SDC onto the canvas, it’s guaranteed to be visible (example values in SDCs are optional) and we’d already know which field type + widget to use.
wimleers (he/him) Renderables?Keep the ideas coming :nerd_face:
wimleers (he/him) What would the end-user facing term be? Or perhaps we’d just surface these as what they are to the end user: “components”, “blocks”, etc?
Kristen Pol (she/her) Thingamajigs
lauriii @wimleers (he/him) XBC? PBC? :joy: (only half-joking)
Kristen Pol (she/her) Experiencibles :laughing:
larowlan Components
Kristen Pol (she/her) I like that myself as it’s generic enough to cover “all the things”… other than SDCs, are we using any “components” terminology in the codebase currently? Away from computer so hard to check
larowlan #3454519: [META] Support component types other than SDC, block, and code components

1️⃣.5️⃣ “For the very end but would like suggesting a new time alternating time for the meeting next week. Thursday 9:30AM EST = 1:30pm UTC time”

larowlan Works well for coding standards to alternate
griffynh Fine with me, especially if it works for everyone else.But I’ll need someone else to run this one, as it’ll be 11.30pm in Sydney at that time.
smustgrave Oh made the suggestion so maybe I can run for ya
acbramley Is this ongoing alternation?
smustgrave Yea idea is current time for griffynh then alternating weeks where I can run.

1️⃣.6️⃣ Continuing this discussion - https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C072JMEPUS1/p1718191451181019

Participants:

griffynh, larowlan, smustgrave, Kristen Pol, Bálint Kléri, guptahemant, lauriii, Wim Leers, acbramley, timbozeman, DanielVeza, cellardoor, Pierre (pdureau)

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