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Contribution Events
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27 Sep 2022 at 04:47 UTC
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Meeting will happen in #contribution-events on drupal.slack.com.
Hello and welcome to this asynchronous, biweekly Slack meeting for the Contribution Events Initiative! :wave:
This meeting:
➤ Is for Drupal community members interested in how to better organize, promote, and improve contribution events. We discuss upcoming events, lessons learned from past events, ideas for increasing event participation, how to improve documentation, and more.
➤ Happens every two weeks in alternating timezones: 5pm UTC Mondays and 5am UTC Tuesdays.
➤ Is done over chat.
➤ Is actively facilitated for 1 hour, but is open asynchronously for 24 hours from the meeting start time.
➤ Happens in threads, which you can follow to be notified of new replies even if you don’t comment in the thread. You may also join the meeting later and participate asynchronously!
➤ Transcript will be exported and posted to a project issue for this meeting. For anonymous comments, start with a :bust_in_silhouette: emoji. To take a comment or thread off the record, start with a :no_entry_sign: emoji.
This meeting is run alternately by @Kristen Pol (she/her) and @surabhi.gokte. This week I am facilitating.
0️⃣ Who is here today? Comment in the thread to introduce yourself!Icebreaker: Which song have you recently heard on repeat? You can also mention if there is any significance/reason to it :) (edited)
| surabhi.gokte | Surabhi, from India :wave:I like listening to diff kinds of music and songs but which one when depends on the current mood. Recent on-repeat is a song from a Bollywood movie, you can listen it on Youtube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFGKJBPFdUAIt inspires me a lot sometimes 🙂 |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | Kristen, California :wave:I listen to many songs over and over... yesterday I was listening to Fleetwood Mac and I have always had a deep connection to Landslide... the melancholy and lyrics are a perfect balm for my soul https://youtu.be/WM7-PYtXtJM |
| irinaz | Hi, Irina from California. listening to classic music 🙂 |
| gusaus | Gus - residing in Portland, OR. The weather was unexpectedly great this past weekend so we extended our daydrives to Cannon Beach (coastal Oregon) and Hood River (east on the Columbia River). This album comes up often on these drives https://open.spotify.com/album/4VFG1DOuTeDMBjBLZT7hCK?si=PpSqPUH8RWqMUXjdGRecgg |
| smustgrave | Hello Stephen from Virginia. No music today just ESPN listening to my team win |
| hestenet (he/him) | Tim from the DA, in Portland, OR on the west coast of the US |
| hestenet (he/him) | A playlist I listedned to a lot over the summer: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4n9ljv0PllEnPjC23B1gTf?si=15122e2e11b6411c |
| hestenet (he/him) | Two highlight songs:https://open.spotify.com/track/2NeM9rfWo70KQej9GxeaoL?si=7209d343ed934201 |
| hestenet (he/him) | And this cover of Bo Burnham from Inside:https://open.spotify.com/track/30y5OpD8TPAru2wsyZDD4S?si=d6c01a7441c84dca |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | Bo Burnham's Inside was amazing... my kids encouraged us to watch it with them |
| hestenet (he/him) | It's really stunning. Voice of a generation stuff. Funny but also emotionally devastating in a few places. |
| hestenet (he/him) | (That combination of wicked humor but also pain reminds me of Robin Williams in a way) |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | I've not seen something so moving and funny at the same time in I don't know how long... lots of tears for both! |
| Fathima Asmat | Fathima here from London uk |
| kimb0 | Kim, AU |
| gambry | Gab, Milan (IT). As always reading the following day :smile: |
| VinmayiSwamy | Vinmayi from India :wave: |
| Sarah Corbine | Sarah from US, listening to K-Pop :smile: |
1️⃣ Do you have suggested topics you are looking to discuss? Post in this thread and we’ll open threads for them as appropriate.
| surabhi.gokte | Updating meeting notes for the previous meetings |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | I can give an update on the Open Collective progress |
2️⃣ Are there any contribution events coming up that you know about? Regular events?
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | DrupalSouth will have a contribution day and there will be remote contribution who can't be there in person |
| surabhi.gokte | That's nice, when is it? Maybe we can run another initiative led sprint too.. |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | We had discussed that as a possibility but were trying to get info from the DrupalSouth organizers to make sure we wouldn't be stepping on toes... at this point, the event is less than 2 weeks away so I was just planning on doing contribution at that time but not organizing a formal event at that time |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | https://drupalsouth.org/ |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | Australian time zone: Friday 21st October |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | If someone else wants to lead a more formal event coinciding with DrupalSouth, that's fine... I just don't have the bandwidth to do any prep |
| surabhi.gokte | I understand, and no problem!@kalabro, @Tamsin Fox-Davies @spleshka (he/him) and System Seed team, would you like to jump in this time? |
| surabhi.gokte | @smustgrave ^^ :point_up:If interested, we can talk more in this direction 🙂 |
| smustgrave | Never done it before but sure! |
| surabhi.gokte | It is very near though, just two weeks away.. |
| spleshka (he/him) | @surabhi.gokte we actually plan to run a contrib event in the next several weeks. It will be focused on the full release for https://www.drupal.org/project/material_base |
| spleshka (he/him) | I’m not sure whats the best way - shall we still announce it as a contrib event? |
| spleshka (he/him) | It’s not as global as drupal 10 readiness |
| surabhi.gokte | Do you think this can be extended as a global thing or would you like to keep it as it is?Also, when are you planning for this? |
| spleshka (he/him) | We don’t mind extending this as a global event as long as the focus stays on this contrib project. We are discussing the date - probably one of the Fridays in the next 2-4 weeks |
| surabhi.gokte | The next global event for D10 porting is getting planned for Nov in the other thread - https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1665424079319109?thread_ts=1665421309.810359&cid=C03FH8GTB1AIf this is going to be global (the one we are talking about here) then what should be the theme along with the contrib project? (edited) |
| spleshka (he/him) | Sorry, not sure I follow the question :) |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | To be honest, I don't know how much traction you will get promoting a contribution event that is only for Material Base but it would be interesting to see if you get any 🙂 |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | You could create an event on community/events and promote like any other event |
| spleshka (he/him) | Yeah same, not sure about any positive outcomes :) |
| kimb0 | That is Australian Eastern Standard Time (AEST GMT+10)https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1665422257724129?thread_ts=1665421287.140069&cid=C03FH8GTB1A |
| kimb0 | we have 5 different timezones :man-facepalming: |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | Whoops, yes… my brain lives in Australian Eastern:) |
3️⃣ Did you participate in a contribution event recently? Feedback?
| irinaz | We had a contribution event at BADCamp past Thu and Friday, concentrating on tools to migrate off D7, including Feeds module, Backdrop inventory module and Site audit. |
| irinaz | @Kristen Pol (she/her) thank you so much for working on Feeds_Ex module readiness for D10!!!! |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | You bet! Was hoping to get fully through it but ran into some snags 🙂 But, I hope to funnel some of my roadblocks into the Drupal 10 porting docs |
| irinaz | Thank you! |
| irinaz | I hope that you can find time to finish feeds_ex D10, maybe as part of #d10readiness 🙂 |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | I see that @MegaChriz responded... not sure when I would be able to look at this again. The behavior was weird and I'm not really sure how to move the issue forward even with his comment. If no one has updated before DrupalSouth, I could look at it then when I'm doing #d10readiness work at that event |
| irinaz | @Kristen Pol (she/her), thanks! When is DrupalSouth? |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1665422257724129?thread_ts=1665421287.140069&cid=C03FH8GTB1A |
| irinaz | We have #feeds checkin on Thu at 11, I will ask @MegaChriz to comment on this issue, thanks! |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | he did already comment on the issue 🙂 but more concrete steps are appreciated |
| MegaChriz | Yes, I think that there's a good chance with one code line removed, tests will pass for Feeds Extensible Parsers on D10. |
| MegaChriz | The method getCoreFixturePath() checks which fixtures in Drupal core are available and tries to select the best one. |
| MegaChriz | If I'll have time this Thursday, I could try to get tests passing for feeds_ex, @Kristen Pol (she/her) |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | Thanks... I'm also asking here for general advice as to how to handle these but not sure what will come of that: https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C014CT1CN1M/p1665426381545739 |
| gambry | We’ve just finished our (EPAM) internal #10 Global Contribution Week. Here are some stats: We have processed 62 issues, 9 of them is in reviewed state and could be committed soon by the community, 28 issue credits received during the event.Here is a number of processed issues and their statuses.RTBC: 9Fixed: 28Needs review: 17Needs work (Active): 1In progress: 2Needs discussion: 2Closed: 2We have conducted two workshops and two interesting quizzes during the final contribution day last Saturday. |
| gambry | About 15 people active, plus 5-10 popping in and out. |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | That’s fantastic :clap: |
4️⃣ Are you looking for a contribution event to help as an organizer, mentor, or participant? Or are you an event organizer that doesn’t have contribution activities yet and would like help?
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | We still need to figure out when the next Drupal 10 porting event should be... I've been overwhelmed by life stuff lately so it's been hard to focus... at this point, I'm thinking November would be best given how much I have going on and that no one has volunteered to lead the next one |
| surabhi.gokte | Yeah, +1 for November as this month its Diwali (one of the major festivals in India) so hard for many from Indian community to join/contribute/lead. (edited) |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | gotcha |
| surabhi.gokte | It always works best when we decide the date as well, makes it specific and easy to work around the defined dates. Shall we decided one for November as well? |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | yeah, we should just pick something in November... let me check my calendar |
| smustgrave | Maybe we could encourage those to do releases for D10. Noticed a number of modules have D10 ready in their dev branches but haven’t been doing releases. Which is blocking modules that rely on them |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | there were some people wanting a weekend event as they can't participate during the week. I like having it tied to week days to try to encourage companies to sponsor their people's contribution time |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | @smustgrave True. And, if we are really proactive, some of us could apply for co-maintainership on some of those blocking projects at least 2 weeks before the event so that we can do the release ourselves at the event if we were given access |
| surabhi.gokte | @Kristen Pol (she/her) in that case, again Fri-Sat fits both scenarios, doesn't it? |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | depending on when we start it and what time zone, yeah... Friday Nov 11 (Pacific time zone) is US holiday so not good for that reason... the following weekend is the weekend before US Thanksgiving so I don't know if that would be a hinderance or not... some people do take that whole week off here |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | that would leave 4 Nov (Pacific) but that's less than a month and I won't have time to do any planning until later in October so it feels a bit rushed for me |
| surabhi.gokte | How about Nov 25-26? |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | I guess we could do 18-19 Nov (US) / 19-20 Nov (Aus/India)? The US people could help on the Friday during work if they are going away for Thanksgiving... |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | That's US Thanksgiving ^ |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | In the US, many have Thursday+Friday off for Thanksgiving and likely won't participate and I should hang with my family then |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | are there any November holidays in India to consider? |
| surabhi.gokte | Not any major festival in Nov this year, but something personal - my anniversary & birthday (20th and 21st) :sweat_smile:But that should not be a problem as I can be there for pre-planning and promotions! |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | let me check the Australian holidays |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | looks like the 2nd weekend isn't good for Australia either: Nov 11 Friday Remembrance Day |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | so it's looking like the 1st or 3rd weekends thus far... I'll check Europe 🙂 |
| surabhi.gokte | We will have some or the other clash for each weekend, let's go ahead with 18-19-20 :smile: |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | this looks fun 🙂 https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/uk/guy-fawkes-day |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | yeah, I think the 3rd weekend is looking best for a number of reasons |
| surabhi.gokte | I'll celebrate my days with #Drupal friends too:hugging_face: |
| Fathima Asmat | I’m up for contribution in Nov and happy to mentor as well as code contribute :relaxed: |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | Great! :+1: |
| gambry | Amazing. @surabhi.gokte @Kristen Pol (she/her) count me in if there is any prep activity to do! |
| VinmayiSwamy | Cool.. I'll also join in Nov for the code contribution :blush: (edited) |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | Great! I’m going to attempt at a documentation consolidation and improvement based on the previous suggestions and will make a tips page |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C014CT1CN1M/p1665426791450959 |
5️⃣ raised by @surabhi.gokte - Updating meeting notes for the previous meetings
| surabhi.gokte | I have raised this for myself as a To Do, and also to mention the reason so that its clear to all :grimacing:This task is pending on me and I picked it up during contribution day at DrupalCon Prague but couldn't finish. And even after coming back home I wasn't able to pick it up on priority.I have it in my To Do currently and I will be able to add all the meeting notes and credits in this week, I promise :blob_smile_open-mouth:Thanks all for the patience :pray: |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | I know time zones are hard but really, Slack? :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | Thanks for the update @surabhi.gokte 🙂 |
| surabhi.gokte | Slack needs rest it seems :joy: |
6️⃣ raised by @Kristen Pol (she/her) - update on the Open Collective progress
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | We submitted the application about a week ago and got a follow up email asking for more information on how we would use the funding to help the initiative.I followed up with them yesterday with more detail. I would guess we will hear back this week whether it's been approved or not. |
| gusaus | Kristen - thanks for providing them more information over the weekend :thankful:Based on previous experience. I'd assume they'd approve over the next couple days |
| gusaus | I'm going to assume it'll be approved, so the task of actually putting compelling copy on the collective will be a priority.We can work on the same google doc to hash that out, but I'm wondering if we should try to get on the same page regarding the general scope in this discussion (or a separate agenda item).Main thing to sort out is how 'Drupal Contribution initiative' (what we submitted to Open Collective) and the 'Contribution Events initiative' (the current initiative and channel name) relate.Should they be the same thing? |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | That is a good question 🙂 |
| gusaus | I know we've have related discussions scattered about Slack - seems like we could move that discussion into this issue while also creating copy in the google doc #3279806: Determine goals for the Contribution Events community project |
| gusaus | I'll try to update this issue as it's come up in some of the recent Slack discussions #3285490: Determine working relationship between EOWG and Contribution Events Initiative |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | Right... we haven't had any additional discussion regarding the EOWG vs CEI relationship |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | And, for goals, we have started planning events which wasn't in the short-term goals but was in the possible longer-term goals |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | One big shift is around the use of Open Social |
| gusaus | So the 'Drupal Contribution' collective should help us frame all these related initiatives. Mainly because the scope is larger - i.e. Events is a subset as it's just one way to (a great one!) increase contributions and grow the community |
| gusaus | We'll have the ability to create a project for sort of the core goals/focus of the current initiative. Which seems to be enabling contribution events. |
| gusaus | Also should point out that I've been talking to @liberatr (he/him) and @hestenet (he/him) about broadening the scope of this collective https://opencollective.com/funding-extension so to include a variety of contribution tools including the funding module, crediting system, and anything else related.Thinking about it now... it would almost make more sense to create a project on that collective for Open Social.That would create more separation for the 'Drupal Contributions' collective - which I guess focuses on the 'people part'. |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | Gotcha... so far, there hasn't been much interest in taking on Open Social for Drupal... unless I missed something with all the chats |
| gusaus | Funding module, Open Social, Drupal.org are all tools that enable/facilitate contributions. Think we've already determined that managing/maintaining those tools is 'not' a focus area or a responsibility of the leads.A "Contribution Tools" collective will create seperation and remove that from the scope of Contribution Events - even as a sub-initiative. |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | right |
| gusaus | IF the scope was opened up to match what will soon be on the collective it might make sense to change the channel name to 'contribution-initiative'.If that made sense... something again we could sort out in #3279806: Determine goals for the Contribution Events community project...I'm wondering if we could potentially use #event-organizers (400+ members) to coordinate these meetings since 'organizing events' is the primary focus (when looking at most of the other agenda items and where most of the interactions take place). (edited) |
| gusaus | @Kristen Pol (she/her) I didn't realize how much additional detail you provided OCF with regards to how funds will be used (until skimming over the Google doc just now) :raised_hands:We should be able to incorporate that into copy we need here https://opencollective.com/drupal-contribution#category-ABOUT |
| gusaus | I went ahead and created a new "Open Collective page" section on the Google doc and made a first pass at filling in copy for stuff we'll want on the collective once it's approved and live. |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | Thanks :pray: |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | The Open Collective Foundation has accepted our application :tada:/ cc @gusaus |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | We need to schedule an onboarding meeting with them soon so hopefully next week |
| gusaus | That's great news @Kristen Pol (she/her). Thank you so much for making it happen :raised_hands:Strange I haven't been getting any notifications as an admin... but knowing we're approved, I can serve as the Open Collective community liaison and help connect us with anything/anyone we need on that side. |
| gusaus | Unless something's changed, I don't think an onboarding meeting is a requirement. I haven't participated in ones for the other OCF collective's I'm part of. Mainly because I'm in their Slack channel and conveying needs on a regular basis... only to find out they can't really help :joy: |
| hestenet (he/him) | may be useful for folks less familiar than you |
| gusaus | Oh totally - especially for folks interested in making a career out of sustaining initiatives like this. Or a career out of contributing to Drupal and/or other open source projects. |
| gusaus | We need to make sure our goals and needs are clear for a call to be worthwhile. We've already touched on stuff we need to sort out in this discussion. Think we can make that a priority now that this initiative is essentially a nonprofit that can not only pay contractors but hire employees and provide benefits (if it chooses to do so). 📣 |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | @gusaus I'll forward you the email so you can see but they did request an onboarding meeting 🙂 And thanks again for the continual nudges towards success :pray: |
| gusaus | @Kristen Pol (she/her) Thanks for forwarding the email thread. Good to see they were thinking along the same lines with regards to the additional detail you provided.You may wish to include some of what you've written in your profile's 'About' section as well. This will help people who visit your page know more about your initiative.Ideally we'll be able to clean up and clarify what I started in the Google doc and copy onto the collective. |
| gusaus | Seems like the onboarding process has changed since I went through it with OpenProducer and Just Jazz Foundation last year. Or I just ignored their requests :joy:I agree with Tim that it would be valuable for team members 'less' familiar with what they do........which makes team building (see this comment/section) a priority along with finalizing the copy we'll be putting on the collective. |
| gusaus | This is the comment (which may or may not make sense if looking at the doc)I think all the 'active' leads and ideally a cross section of folks involved with some of these related initiatives should be represented on this collective. It does not mean they'd have additional responsibilities like managing the collective itself. |
| gusaus | @liberatr (he/him) I think this initiative focusing on increasing contributions across the entire Drupal project will be part of several upcoming talks. Also a good one to part of... well you already are considering Funding module/Open Collective integration will not only help the initiative sustain - it's a great project for contribution events 📣 |
| gusaus | @Kristen Pol (she/her) Wasn't the collective out of 'pending approval' state or have I lost my mind. https://opencollective.com/drupal-contributionBoth could be true :joy: |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | I think I have to respond to them specifically with “I accept” which I’ll do after I read their email and documents more carefully tonight or tomorrow… I’ve been out most of the day in class |
| gusaus | Ahhh...ok - that's totally fine since we still haven't quite figured out what to do with it. I'm actually in the process doing a quick update on #3294434: Set up Drupal Contribution collective with Open Collective Foundation |
| gusaus | Added this comment and referenced some related issues we should probably revisit. |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | Thanks :pray: |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | Just got the official email |
| gusaus | @Kristen Pol (she/her) Thanks for forwarding those emails. I actually got that one :point_up: - which I guess means that admins will get all the rest now that it's approved and official :raised_hands::metal::thankful: |
| gusaus | Now we just have to put some compelling copy on there so folks/orgs will donate and sponsor :sweat_smile: |
| gusaus | Speaking of goals and models to sustain, I was turned on to https://labs.quansight.org/ from listening to this podcast.As I rambled on about in Open Collective Slack...I think we could incorporate some of these elements from https://labs.quansight.org/ for the Drupal Contribution model to sustain.ModelWe created and continue to refine an innovative hybrid employment model. We give open source maintainers a significant amount of time to work on community-driven open source projects, while also spending part of their time on consulting work with Quansight's commercial clients. Benefits include learning opportunities for our team, bringing back concrete needs and ideas to open source projects, and the flexibility to scale up our contributions to the open source projects we support quickly when we receive direct financial support for them.Drupal Contribution 'will' have the ability to pay contractors and hire employees. We'd obviously need to generate a good bit of revenue to do that, but we could do that by using the collective as the hub for all the major contribution areas/groups (by creating 'projects' each team/group could manage).On top of that we could/should create an org on drupal.org so 1) all the contributions that we enable will be recognized; 2) contributors could provide a variety of services; 3) we can explore partnership opportunities with other agencies and the DA 📣 |
| gusaus | I'll try to gather up those scattered thoughts and log them in #3279806: Determine goals for the Contribution Events community project and other related issues. |
| gusaus | So far there hasn't been much response to the potential of getting paid for contributing or https://opencollective.com/drupal-contribution being approved by Open Collective Foundation (aside for a few Emojis).The collective + contribution tools (funding module, crediting system, governance tools, etc) 'should' enable more folks to work part/full time on core + community similar to WordPress but we need more Drupal community leaders (and orgs) to :+1: and/or get involved with shaping and running the 'Drupal Contribution' initiative.That said, we need to determine if we're leaving the Contribution Events initiative (and this channel) intact or potentially merging with EOWG (and using #event-organizers to organize).If we went that route, we could rename this channel (#contribution-initiative?) and propose/create Drupal Contribution as a new initiative https://www.drupal.org/docs/develop/issues/fields-and-other-parts-of-an-issue/specia[…]-summary-templates/issue-summary-template-initiative-proposalWhat makes sense to y'all? |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | These are some of the burning questions… also I noticed the hiring of the DA “CEO” and some talk of funding more “Drupal contribution” so we also should align with the DA to better understand their strategy so we are collaborating and not stepping on each other /cc @hestenet (he/him) |
| gusaus | It should be almost total compliment with DA as the 'Contribution Initiative' should be a way to extend/enable their existing goals (like getting more folks involved with the project).Another way to define the scope is to look at the list of contribution areas on https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/contribution-areasThe goal is to enable, rather than create anything new. |
| gusaus | To me, the focus up to this point fits in nicely with this contribution area that already has a well defined initiative and a #event-organizers channel of over 400 members.It would great to hear from other folks involved or familiar with EOWG. |
| gambry | Last time I checked, about 1y ago, EOWG was a channel for event organisers to share experiences, and occasionally support each other through cross-promoting and cross-sponsoring.I clap the progress on getting Drupal Contribution within OpenCollective, but I still don’t have 100% clear what we are trying to achieve:Sponsoring contributions to Drupal (code/no-code/documentation/translation/etc directly reflected on Drupal as a software) - aka sponsoring makersSponsoring contributions to Drupal community events and groups - aka sponsoring eventsSponsoring Drupal community governance (WGs and their activities) - aka sponsoring groupsPromoting all/some of the above, while we define with DA the best channel for the actual sponsoring (payments platform)All/Some of the aboveAnd I do have few questions:Why OC, and not within OS collective umbrella?Why “Drupal Contribution”, and not simply “Drupal” (I presume the answer, but wondering if that’s already been discussed)Yeah, and as stated above, what’s the DA view on this? Since money will and are been involved I foresee a nice amount of conflicts and arguments and tears. So - again - clap to the initiative but I worry we need a strong partner to reduce issues to lowest as possible. This been either the DA and/or a decent amount of TOP contributors onboard. |
| gambry | And forgive my questions, if already asked. I’m happy to support the initiative as much as I can, but I need more details for totally embracing the love as you already do! ❤️ :smile: |
| leslieg | The EOWG would be interested in having further conversations on how we can work together with the Contribution Events initiative. Potentially merging parts of this initiative into the EOWG Initiative sounds like a good opportunity for the community. cc @Kristen Pol (she/her) @froboy |
| gusaus | @gambry Agreed it's a bit confusing as we're talking about two initiatives in this thread and issue. Think one way to alleviate confusion would be that will be to merge appropriate parts of the Contribution Events initiative with EOWG and then possibly rename this channel.@leslieg What do you think about having that conversation in #event-organizers and this issue? #3285490: Determine working relationship between EOWG and Contribution Events Initiative |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | I’ll try to answer some of these :)“Last time I checked, about 1y ago, EOWG was a channel for event organisers to share experiences, and occasionally support each other through cross-promoting and cross-sponsoring.”They also are building tools like the event platform and the community events part of d.o.“I clap the progress on getting Drupal Contribution within OpenCollective, but I still don’t have 100% clear what we are trying to achieve:“Sponsoring contributions to Drupal (code/no-code/documentation/translation/etc directly reflected on Drupal as a software) - aka sponsoring makers”Yes, for those who are not sponsored by their workplace or another sponsor.“Sponsoring contributions to Drupal community events and groups - aka sponsoring events”Maybe. Certainly funding people who put these on who don’t have sponsorship and perhaps paying for some in person costs if we start helping with those like venue/food. I currently wouldn’t see this at the moment as a vehicle for donating money to existing camps or events though I guess that does make sense if for contribution. Everything is open for discussion and being defined by all of us :)“Sponsoring Drupal community governance (WGs and their activities) - aka sponsoring groups”Governance for this initiative itself and any sub initiatives “Promoting all/some of the above, while we define with DA the best channel for the actual sponsoring (payments platform)”We need to sort this out with the DA“All/Some of the above”Yes :)“And I do have few questions:Why OC, and not within OS collective umbrella?”This was discussed in various threads but one reason is OCF donations are tax deductible and OSC ones aren’t. The other big one was OCF seems better managed than OSC and has more ways to help us“Why “Drupal Contribution”, and not simply “Drupal” (I presume the answer, but wondering if that’s already been discussed)”I would assume Drupal as a whole would be the focus of the DA. There is a Drupal collective with @hestenet (he/him) but I don’t remember the name at the moment and am in my phone… but it has pretty much no funding or governance. Personally, I’m only primarily interested in focusing on contribution.“Yeah, and as stated above, what’s the DA view on this? Since money will and are been involved I foresee a nice amount of conflicts and arguments and tears. So - again - clap to the initiative but I worry we need a strong partner to reduce issues to lowest as possible. This been either the DA and/or a decent amount of TOP contributors onboard.”Tim already knew about this and chimed in on the name and didn’t appear to have any issues with the application, That said, we haven’t had a larger conversation with the DA about this which is warranted |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | @leslieg certainly happy to continue the conversation around this :) |
| gusaus | After we figure out :point_up: we should probably go through the steps outlined in https://www.drupal.org/community-initiatives/proposing-initiatives for the Drupal Contribution initiative. Possibly we could restructure and draft the initiative in the same doc we've been using for the Open Collective Foundation application. Mainly because there are elements pertaining to purpose, goals, team, etc. that we can work into this template. |
| gusaus | With regards to sponsoring contributors, I think the initiative would act more as an enabler of new and existing contribution groups rather than an entity that will provide funding to individual contributors (aside from those running/maintaining the initiative itself).If groups and initiatives are interested in sponsorship as a way to sustain and sponsor contributors, they could either create their own collective and/or a project on Drupal Contribution's collective.Does that kinda make sense? |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | As we’ve been running events, my thought would be to be able to use funds to help unsponsored participants and mentors, but this could be discussed |
| gusaus | Absolutely :raised_hands: So would that be more of an ongoing thing rather than something associated with a particular event? If yes, we'd probably want to create a project (on the Drupal Contribution collective).Projects are a lightweight way for collectives to manage budgets for initiatives independent of their parent collectives. Use a project if:You would like to collect funds for a specific initiative or ideaYou would like to allocate part of your collective's budget to a specific initiative (edited) |
| gusaus | Quick note on potential conflict with the DA in terms of funding and sponsorship. We've been talking and collaborating with @hestenet (he/him) on some related projects for several years in this Slack and https://slack.opencollective.com/One of those is the funding module that 'should' make it easier for orgs and individuals to discover and sponsor initiatives, projects, and individual contributors.So there's at least one DA staffer already involved. Hopefully other folks involved with enabling contributions and growing the project will join this larger effort to help provide guidance and ensure there are no conflicts in terms of funding and sponsorship. (edited) |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | Ah… making projects under the collective would be cool… I had been thinking per event but this can be discussed… probably easier to manage if it’s more like a quarterly or yearly thing rather than per event… maybe? |
| gusaus | I'm trying to visualize how that would work for events. Several camps and even some local user groups have their own collectives. We can also create events on our collective https://docs.opencollective.com/help/collectives/eventsSo there are probably a couple ways to set up some sort of fund. Either as a tier on an event, a project, or some combo of both. |
| liberatr (he/him) | One cool thing is you can "sell" tickets/sponsorships to events with the platform. |
| gusaus | Ha - I was just going to reference Mautic as they provide one the best examples of how to use and structure projects, events, and other open collective features https://opencollective.com/mauticMaybe @Ruth Cheesley (she/her) would be interested in leading a special contribution event about how they use Open Collective :raised_hands: |
| gusaus | Beyond the collective, they provide all sorts of inspiration in terms of governance, community structure, paying contributors, etc in their docs https://contribute.mautic.org/ |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | Good stuff :+1: |
| gusaus | One cool thing is you can "sell" tickets/sponsorships to events with the platform.@liberatr (he/him) Considering Funding module will be able to enable that not only on Drupal sites but drupal.org - I think the soon to be renamed/rebranded/finally activated 'Contribution Tools' collective (where Funding module will be a project) will compliment what Drupal Contribution collective intends to do quite nicely.Mainly it will provide a way for Drupal Contribution to function more like an agency that contributes to tools like Funding module.Individual contributors will have the ability to be compensated (based on whatever compensation structure Drupal Contribution sorts out) by invoicing against the Funding module's project on Open Collective. |
| gusaus | I went back and restructured the Google doc. Per the last comment hereI also added many of the contribution areas listed on https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/contribution-areasConsidering our main intent is to enable more Drupal contributions this makes sense to me. What makes sense for y'all? |
| gusaus | I also invited a few of the folks already involved or have shown interest in some of the listed contribution areas to the collective. |
| gusaus | I want ahead and hid pretty much all sections on https://opencollective.com/drupal-contributionWe can make sections visible whenever they're ready (if that makes sense). |
| gusaus | Oh ya - we definitely need some sort of logo |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | true... I could ask my son if we have some design ideas... he did the Drupal Cares one awhile back (though that's more cartoon-y)... or if someone wants to volunteer, that's good too |
| gusaus | That's awesome your son is creating Drupal art :raised_hands: |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | He has since he was little… a few of the things are on his profile page https://www.drupal.org/u/aarondeutsch |
| gusaus | Oh wow - very prolific in the Drupal art/design scene :metal: |
| gusaus | Sorta reminds me of the early days of Drupal Dojo when one of the main contributors was creating art for each session. And one of the most knowledgable teachers/mentors was 11 yrs old. Nobody knew it at the time since the tech wasn't advanced enough where presenters would be on video. |
| gusaus | Looks like @hestenet (he/him) may know about another option if Drupal Contribution becomes a strategic initiative? |
| gusaus | https://drupal.slack.com/archives/CCWKQQ25U/p1663165363778049 |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | Nice work |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | That would be a better option IMO |
| hestenet (he/him) | Yes! I'm sure we'd be welcome to post a request to #promotedrupal and give @Shefali a ping |
| gusaus | @hestenet (he/him) That's great to hear :metal: We probably should create the initiative first - and work through some of the issues we've been talking about in this discussion and referenced issues. |
| gusaus | The way I see it - Drupal Contribution should be a total compliment to DA goals - so buy-in/guidance/involvement from staffers, board members, and supporters will be pretty key |
| gusaus | @hestenet (he/him) Thanks for accepting my invite :thankful: I went ahead and unhid the team on the collective as it suddenly has more cred. :metal:Will me even moreso when some of the other folks we've invited join and when Kristen isn't so incognito :joy: |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) | Y’all are on my focus list/sticky so should be soon :D |
| gusaus | Referencing this post as it provides a good (yet probably outdated summary) of the governance tools we're talking about using for Drupal Contribution as sort of a proof of concept in Open Collective's Slack. |
| gusaus | Of course we could really use those tools now to make decisions on the following -Merging 'Contribution Events Initiative' with EOWG and #event-organizers Depending on #1 we 'd either rename this channel to 'contribution-initiative' or create a new channel using that name.Is there any way we can make a relatively quick decision on that - maybe just by asking all the active organizers of these initiatives to weigh in via Slack and/or this related issue? (edited) |
| gusaus | @hestenet (he/him) What day are you scheduled to talk to Metagov folks next week? :raised_hands: |
| hestenet (he/him) | Thursday |
| gusaus | Nice! That should give us plenty of time to resolve some of the blockers and identify some potential Drupal use cases. |
| gusaus | @hestenet (he/him) Quick followup to resolving blockers. :point_up:Considering Drupal Contribution should be sort of a community governed umbrella for other contribution groups, we really need whoever is now assuming Rachel's role involved to help encourage and facilitate cross project/initiative collaboration.I 'think' I remember you saying the role was a bit different? Has it been filled? |
| gusaus | This google doc may provide sort of a high level view of how we could structure the collective. |
| hestenet (he/him) | Yes - @Joi Garrett is in that role now, and has been getting up to speed since she starated. |
| gusaus | That's great to hear :raised_hands: - hope Joi will be able to join this channel and our collective :thankful: :wave: |
| gusaus | Referencing here as it relates more to the Contribution Initiative (and collective)... A quick google search (was actually trying to remember what program funded the community/get involved guides - wasn't there some type of fund?) brought up this https://www.drupal.org/association/community-cultivation-grantsLooks like that program is not active at the moment? Seems like one function of this type of umbrella collective could be to enable these types of funds and grants.This open collective post could provide some inspiration https://blog.opencollective.com/funds-for-open-source/ |
| hestenet (he/him) | People can still apply for those grants. I'm not sure if there's any money left in the budget for this year. |
| hestenet (he/him) | And yeah, potentially we could think about merging that with a collective structure |
| hestenet (he/him) | That's just been around since way before all this |
| gusaus | All good to know! I think that sorta thing could be a focus area for a SustainDrupal initiative (or something similar). We potentially could get that up an running by first creating a project |
| gusaus | Wasn't there some type of grant or fund associated with the Get Involved/Community section? Either way, we'll now be able to create projects for these types of campaigns. (edited) |
| hestenet (he/him) | I don't remember off-hand, if there was it was probably the cultivation grant |
| gusaus | Did a Slack search and of course I was talking about it :joy: |
| gusaus | Would be great if whoever handles fundraising for DA joins this effort considering fundraising should be an area we'll be able to help with. :clapper: |
| gusaus | Thinking we can make better use of #sustaindrupal by bringing together projects/initiatives like this with a collective but still trying to figure out what to do with it and what types of sustainer roles/commitments they need to succeed. |
| gusaus | Looking over https://www.drupal.org/association/staff - having more DA folks from Finance & Operations, Programs & Events, Philanthropy & Partnerships, and even Consultants advising in #sustaindrupal (and this channel) would be super helpful to these community initiatives as well as the projects/groups/contributors they intend to help. :raised_hands: |
| gusaus | Referencing this call for contributors here as Drupal Contribution still needs help getting up and running.This google doc should provide both an overview and a jumping in point for folks interested/able to helping craft successful and sustainable community initiatives 📣 :clapper::thankful: |
| gusaus | Thinking there may be potential helpers in #documentation, I shared the following.Considering it makes sense to onboard contributors (writers, fundraisers, sponsor wranglers, project managers) projects need into #sustaindrupal, I'm less concerned about merging with #event-organizers and renaming this channel (still think it makes sense).I am concerned that we get the Drupal Contribution up and running as soon as possible so unsponsored contributors like myself won't have to drop out of the community. :joy: |
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