Frontend (Olivero + Claro) - August 30 2022 Meeting in Slack

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UPDATE (transcript added)

Introductions (Please include your drupal.org name to make crediting easier!)
11 replies

katannshaw
mherchel
cindytwilliams
javi-er
shaal
ckrina
AkshayAdhav
markie
saschaeggi
omkar-pd
ameymudras

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What agenda items would you like to discuss today?
5 replies

mherchel
I'd like to remove the "olivero and claro" specificity from this meeting, and just have it be "Drupal core".

mherchel
Reason being that most of the work I'm currently doing is outside of Claro & Olivero

katannshaw
I’ve added it as topic 1

mherchel @katannshaw can we also revisit this from a couple weeks ago as a topic? https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C0D5GJZ8B/p1660662650951239

katannshaw
:three: TOPIC 3: Toolbar style update plus the active toolbar tray issue
https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/issues/3020422
https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/issues/3097907

katannshaw
Added as topic 2. Thanks @mherchel

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Any further general updates from the maintainers or product managers?
5 replies

mherchel
A HUGE refactor of the off-canvas dialog styles was committed! https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/issues/3291797 :partyparrot: :partyparrot: :partyparrot: :partyparrot: :partyparrot: :partyparrot: :partyparrot: :partyparrot: :partyparrot:
Refactor Drupal 10 settings tray / off-canvas to use modern CSS

mherchel
Thanks to @andy-blum and @lauriii for helping me push that along!

katannshaw
That’s awesome to hear!

mherchel
That's going to enable more design changes, themability, etc for the off-canvas mherchel
as well as fixes a lot of usability and accessibility issues

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Where can contributors help this week?
3 replies

katannshaw
Note: If you want your item added to a new topic thread, add a thread icon with it

mherchel
Just kicked this one back to you @wesruv :grimacing: :smile: https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/issues/3291549
Refactor Claro's "node form" layout to not use floats

mherchel
https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/issues/3262442 needs re-roll + d10 patch
Olivero: JS unchecked addEventListener on optional block

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Any other general #frontend subjects to discuss can go here
2 replies

mherchel
I opened this earlier today, and @lauriii already has a patch!!!! https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/issues/3306864
Integrate Twig with Symfony VarDumper for improved debugging experience

mherchel
This one is gonna change people's lives!

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Fun question: What’s your favorite cereal? (edited)
5 replies

katannshaw
Fruity pebbles, although granola is a close second

cindytwilliams
Honey Bunches of Oats

mherchel
:honey_pot: :chestnut: :o:

katannshaw
I’m getting hungry for more cereal.

Akshay
Fruit and nuts muesli

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TOPIC 1: Remove the “olivero and claro” specificity from this meeting, and just have it be “Drupal core”, reason being that most of the work I’m currently doing is outside of Claro & Olivero
16 replies

mherchel
Yeah, so my thought is that Claro and Olivero are chugging along. But they're both stable (yay!) and the default (yay!)

mherchel
I've been doing a lot of contribution... but it's mostly been outside of those two themes

mherchel
lots of stuff like new twig filters, refactoring core CSS, etc

katannshaw
I was looking for a general frontend initiative page on drupal.org the other day and couldn’t find one. I think it would be a good idea to create one if we do this so that the objective of this group is clear. What do you think?

mherchel
Its not sooo much of an initiative. Its just making :sh*t: better

mherchel
but yeah, maybe we should come up with a vision statement or better

katannshaw
How about “Drupal Frontend Shit”?

mherchel
First draft: Making :sh*t: better

mherchel
lol

katannshaw
Drupal Frontend :sh*t:

katannshaw
^^ more PC

ckrina
+1 to this being a general core-frontend thing

katannshaw
I agree. I think that it made sense when we first created this meeting but not so much now.

mherchel
exactly

katannshaw
@mherchel

@ckrina
We can chat about how to change the language for the meetings to reflect this change in a DM if that works for both of you.

mherchel
Sounds good!

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TOPIC 2: Toolbar style update plus the active toolbar tray issue
https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/issues/3020422
https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/issues/3097907
28 replies

mherchel
So, this is a revisit from a topic several weeks ago https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C0D5GJZ8B/p1660663165717479?thread_ts=...

mherchel
I'm setting a reminder for two weeks from now to try to get this set up
From a thread in frontend | Aug 16th | View reply

mherchel
Basically, we want to get @dww @ckrina and an accessibility maintainer (maybe @andrewmacpherson) in the same room (zoom?) to figure out a design

mherchel
from what I understand, only @ckrina will be at DrupalCon Prague, so it'll have to be a virtual meeting

mherchel
also tagging @rain @Mike Gifford (CivicActions) and @bnjmnm on this convo as Accessibility maintainers (Andrew's not been quite as active, and I'm not sure of his availability)

bnjmnm
You can send me an invite for something. If it's open on my Google calendar just rope me in. BTW that Claro issue is such a beast. If I were to start working on it today I'd probably look for ways to break it into smaller issues.

mherchel
Thanks!

mherchel
yeah, it is a beast. Lets get together and make a plan. cc @ckrina

mherchel
it looks like @dww is on vacation. But maybe after Sept 5th soemtime

Mike Gifford (CivicActions)
Yes, same here.

mherchel
Thank you!

ckrina
so the thing is that on a design perspective the Toolbar needs a redesign, not a re-styling

mherchel
holy yeah, that toolbar style update issue needs to be split up

ckrina
meaning a completely different way to show the navigation

ckrina
so not sure if we’re talking of “just” that issue

ckrina
well, I’m sure we’re not just talking about that :slightly_smiling_face:

mherchel
well, we need a plan (edited)

mherchel
maybe this is a case where we do something in contrib... create a toolbar2 module

mherchel
or something

ckrina
yeah

ckrina
no more “toolbar” maybe :smile:

ckrina
I’m talking more about a navigation closer to Jira&co https://monosnap.com/direct/4drWWviMWGCBEvK57tyH8L9PC6nEAp, so we clearly need to plan several meetings, some of them more UX or even IA focused. https://monosnap.com/direct/4drWWviMWGCBEvK57tyH8L9PC6nEAp

mherchel
@saschaeggi was pinging me about something like this for Gin earlier today

ckrina
was meaning to cc him right now: this is a thing we’ve discussed for a long time

ckrina
there are several issues related, like https://www.drupal.org/project/ideas/issues/3203618
New “content creation” menu proposal

ckrina
And even https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/issues/3076820
[META] Layout redesign

ckrina
So as @mherchel said we need to plan this to be able to address short-term issues, but move the long-term ones too

saschaeggi
Yes, you can include me in this call as well, thanks for the heads up
@mherchel

@ckrina
:thumbsup:

mherchel
Thank you!

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Continue the conversation in Slack. Thank you for showing up and contributing!
If you have additional questions or comments, please post them here or on the meeting agenda issue: https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/issues/3306856
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The HTML Song (Parody of Drake - Hotline Bling)

mherchel
@lauriii this is going to be our intro music for our session FYI