| Griffyn Heels |
Whats PMNMI? |
| quietone |
Postponed Maintainer Needs More Information |
| quietone |
Many months ago, I triaged and added a 3 month notice to PMNMI issues in migrate. Then, after the three months another migrate maintainer reviewed those issues. The result was that all but one was closed.That worked well and I suggest we do the same. |
| larowlan |
Sounds great, can we crowd source this at the sprint on Friday |
| quietone |
As a start date I use 2020-04-21 which is from the initial stats, https://www.drupal.org/community-initiatives/bug-smash-initiative/goals |
| lendude |
Do we have an ok for using the 3 month period? Think @xjm had some insights into a good period to use last time we talked about this? |
| lendude |
Can’t remember what came out of that discussion |
| quietone |
Links to two meetings where I found discussion. [#3195107]The second issue has input from xjm, suggesting the three months. The last comment in the thread was a self reminder for xjm to look at the templates. I don't think that has happened. |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Excellent suggestion @quietone. Thanks for the reminder |
| quietone |
A list of thoughts I had.
- Run like a regular meeting with issues in threads
- Announce a set of issues or component to be triaged
- Announce in other relevant channels that the triage is happening
- Invite the relevant maintainer or other know keen person to join
- Keep open for 24 hours
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| mohit_aghera |
+1 to Run like a regular meeting with issues in threads andAnnounce a set of issues or component to be triaged |
| larowlan |
That sounds great |
| larowlan |
I think we'd need a champion to take on the job of organising them |
| larowlan |
I wonder if @kattekrab has any ideas on if this |
| larowlan |
do you think we could spend some time at the sprint fleshing this out some more ? |
| lendude |
My only worry is that it could fill up the channel fairly quickly, and it might be hard to find the issue that actually needs discussing, ie. we do 10 issues, 9 are easy, 1 is hard, but its the third issue on the list so nobody sees that this still needs discussion cause it too far back in the slack history. I don’t know, maybe I’m going for premature optimisation here and we should try it and see |
| larowlan |
we could spin up a triage channel if that became an issue |
| lendude |
Yeah, we should try it and see and tweak from there |
| kattekrab |
Interesting! Thanks @larowlan - I might have some ideas if I wasn't sleep deprived. Very much agree with you @lendude "Just try, then tweak" Good suggestion @quietone |
| kattekrab |
Triage is well focussed - timeboxing, and trying to filter for complexity might be useful frames |
| kattekrab |
Is everyone familiar with the cynefin model? Clear - Complicated - Complex - Chaotic? |
| kattekrab |
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| dww |
Yes, an async triage meeting sounds great. Definitely worth trying & tweaking. |
| dww |
Also from the Premature Optimization Department (where I spend way too much time): I wonder if the nature of these async slack meetings will add any friction to actually taking the actions in the issues themselves. Eg, a couple people respond to a question in a thread, and it seems like agreement. Some possible risks to progress:
- Everyone thinks someone else will update the issue.
- Some temptation for “seems like agreement, but maybe we should wait for New York to wake up before we close that one...”
- No later responses come : when / how to circle back and go with whatever plan we’ve got so far...
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| dww |
Proposed mitigations:
A) it’s only an issue. Folks can post new comments, undo metadata changes, etc. Just post something and if we change minds later, change the issue accordingly |
| dww |
B) make good use of thread icons, be sure to update, so we can more easily circle back later to anything not :checkbox: |
| dww |
:point_up: would also help with Len’s concern |
| lendude |
Yeah B) sounds really good, maybe also removing the preview when it has been resolved so resolved stuff takes up less space? |
| dww |
@kattekrab hadn’t heard of that, but looks interesting. I started at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynefin_frameworkSeems like a good, clear summary. Any better places to learn more? |
| dww |
This caught my eye:"best practice is, by definition, past practice"sounds like something to also keep in mind. I should post that to the #gitlab meeting. ;) maybe if I share it widely enough, I’ll take it to heart, and be less complacent in the technical aspects of my life. |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Excellent idea @quietone and I agree with keeping it simple and the UX improvements above to keep the channel tidy and helpful |
| quietone |
Some of @dww concerns can also be handled with by someone checking the threads for decisions or followups. This stuff often falls to the facilitator but I am cautious about overloading the expectations of a facilitator. |
| larowlan |
Any thing you want us to focus on |
| larowlan |
First time contribution tasks would be great |
| quietone |
Helping people to (learn how to) review issues |
| larowlan |
Yes, @jibran did that in Melbourne a few years back +1 |
| quietone |
@jibran, what did you do? |
| larowlan |
he got up on stage and talked through a review |
| larowlan |
like the live commit, but a live review |
| jibran |
Dude! that's 6.5 years ago. :smile: |
| jibran |
You pretty much have to present whatever you want sprinters to do. |
| larowlan |
6.5 years really? |
| larowlan |
wow, that went so fast |
| jibran |
DrupalSouth Melbourne was held in March 2015. |
| larowlan |
:exploding_head: |
| larowlan |
the sprint is free for anyone to attend - no need to have a ticket |
| larowlan |
i'll post in this channel the details on Friday |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
I'll try to attend, thanks for organizing |
| ambermatz |
I’ll do a social post from the Drupalize.Me account promoting the sprint and encouraging folks to check out bugsmash issues. |
| jibran |
Maybe @Gábor Hojtsy (he/him) can use his social media influence as well. :smile: |
| ambermatz |
Here’s a link to the tweet just posted: https://twitter.com/drupalizeme/status/1428137177855184900 |
| Gábor Hojtsy (he/him) |
RTed :) |
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