Regionalized Planet Drupal

As requested by tvn I am sharing my thoughts from https://www.drupal.org/node/2639048#comment-10733054 and some additional feedback.

1. I don't think we should aim to create language specific Planets in a broader sense. What the proposal for Planet Latinomerico makes so interesting it that it concerns a wide reach of countries on multiple continents. The only other language that would have a similar reach would be French given that it is spoken on three continents in a multitude of countries (and similarly to Spanish/Portugese covers a lot of emerging (or infant) markets). That is the key difference to simply providing localized feeds.

"Nationalised/Localized" feeds should not be handled here on drupal.org, that is something regional associations/groups should manage (and the Assoc should encourage). This indeed would strain any capability of the existing webmasters to manage those feeds responsibly. We should be clear about this. (What we certainly could do is linking prominently to those language specific ressources.)

2. As we are not mirroring the original Planet contentwise (i.e. this is not a collection of translated Planet content) I don't think we need a pattern that includes the language code. Planet Latinoamerico for example would include both Spanish and Portugese content so using /es would also be wrong. As mentioned in that issue simply using /planeta would suffice.

3. I am not sure about a number to put on required volunteers but it needs to be made clear that those feeds only live as long as volunteers review the content for those feeds. Actually adding rtbc'ed feeds is still a webmaster duty (but perhaps we gain some fresh faces through this). We definitely need to see momentum behind the idea (e.g. the idea for Latinoamerico was born during a Camp).

4. This discussion needs to be timeboxed in a way that does not kill the fantastic momentum we have in #2639048: Add a regional section of Planet Drupal: Planeta Latinoamericano. So at worst this should be finished at the end of the month (my proposal, but I actually would prefer to see this happen earlier).

Hi there,
Thanks for supporting the momentum. It is nice to see it is not only us behind the effort and that it is taken seriously. In some ways it is like Fernando (@develCuy) has said, we are decided to make this happen. But after discussing it we thought going to DA first was the way to go.

I also would like to stress the point of David, this is not a language specific feed, or a country one. We propose it in Spanish and Portuguese to represent a region and a bigger audience. Our languages are close enough to be able to read between the lines when differences prevent for a simple read. Plus we think it is important that we represent latin america which has both Portuguese and Spanish.

I see the point on having some content to sample, one thing is to say lets do it, and another thing is to have content streaming steadily. I don't think we will have any problems with the support/contributors to manage the content. But we need to fight (and part of this initiative is to support that) the trend we have to write in english and only material that might apeal to the english community. There are lots of content that can be generated for the latinamerican community that would help people starting. That alone would foster more people to write and read. I'm speaking mainly for myself, but I know that lots of times I stop writting something because I know I already read an article about that in english and that audience in spanish/portuguese is scattered to say the list.

Right now what happens with the latinamerican/spanish sites is that there are lots, with not so many bonds between them. One reason to have a feed in RSS is to increase the community communication in Spanish and get us closer and more connected. Again a reason to do it in portuguese and spanish, I think reading about the two languages together will increase communication and exchange between Latinoamerican's.

I can (and will) provide a feed example soon. But I would like to appeal to what David said one more time. This is a region, not a language. I see the point about French, but TBH honest in terms of reach I guess you'll get a request for a region this big once that China or India get more engaged.

That's my two cents.

Cheers,
Ignacio

Just to add my example, my feed in english http://www.nachodigital.com.ar/articles-rss-drupalplanet is and in spanish http://www.nachodigital.com.ar/es/articles-rss-drupalplanet
One of the reason to propose this is that right now I'm only writing in both english+spanish, or I don't (it is a matter of principle). But I'm willing to write more only in Spanish. Things I think it will appeal to the LatinAmerican public.
Cheers, Ignacio

Looking great! I guess we can start requesting more examples. I will do so in the sibling issue which has a wider audience. And depending on what it looks like the response I would use other channels as well. Thanks! Ignacio

Count me in. Ill write Spanish articles.

I'm about to write a few articles in Spanish and this plan motivates me to write a few more. Also, I like to read Drupal content in Spanish so count on me as reviewer.

Great plan btw!

This is my feed in Spanish to taxonomy term drupal http://7sabores.com/taxonomy/term/31/all/feed, please consider to be included in this planet.

Well, As this occurs, you can write here in drupaleros.es, is an spanish drupal magazine. Share your knowledge with the spanish community never been so easy.

With your effort we can make something big but we need your help!

A darle duro!

It's really nice to see this becoming real.

Here is another feed in pt-br: http://drupaldeelite.com.br/rss.xml

Great to see feeds already. When this is greenlit please submit each of them in a new issue so that I or other webmasters can check each feed individually and the volunteers can give their +1s for the content. Having dedicated issues also helps a lot if problems with a feed arise in the future.

Hi @tvn

What do you think was the response of people after social sharing like https://twitter.com/drupal_org/status/688112196690116608

Is it time to go live? Or we need to cover another requirement or additional step before go live?

Well I have +1 for making the planet broader and making it available in all languages.

For now can we work with major one two languages like spanish and when we will get FRs for more languages we will add them later.
Well I read the posts from www.drupal.org/planet so make this to be filtered by user language ?

For what I see this has been moved from Stage into production? I see https://www.drupal.org/planeta working on the main URL... Am I correct?

If so I guess we need to start with the proper process to add further feeds? @tvn mentioned that we need one issue for each feed on this queue. Should we start doing that so we add other feeds mentioned over here?

Thanks in advance, Ignacio

#19,
yup make sense

We are adding a feed for a specific region. There are a few more regions we can create feeds more later, if the first one is a success and if there is enough demand/content. We are not randomly adding Planet feeds in various languages.

+1

@ALL

The process to get added the /planeta is the basically the same as for /planet (see: https://www.drupal.org/planet/guidelines). If I find the time I am going to work on #2660304: Update Planet Drupal guidelines with specific steps for Planeta Latinoamericano feeds but for now the process works as follows:

1. Open a new issue for every feed you want to add (this is best down by the feed owner himself to ensure we have somebody to talk to if the feed starts making problems). Do this here in the content queue.

2. The technical requirements are:
a) feed needs to validate
b) feed needs to use a dedicated tag (i.e. not a generic blog feed, not a generic "Drupal" tag) to enusre fine grained control over what content gets pushed to the whole community.

These two points can be reviewed by webmasters or anybody else but for the third point we need YOU:

c) content quality needs to be good. This needs to be reviewed by people actually able to understand spanish/portuguese

If these three points are met (set to rtbc) a webmaster is going to add the feed. This usually happens in a quite responsive timeframe.

Thanks for the explanation dave. revagomez (Renato) can do portuguese and me (ibonelli) can do spanish.
There were more people willing to review, but for now it can be us until things get going?
How will that bit of the proces work? Will Renato and I get email notifications when new feeds are requested? Thanks!

How will that bit of the proces work? Will Renato and I get email notifications when new feeds are requested? Thanks!

Sadly no. You'll want to check the content queue regularly for open issues. :/

Hehehe, ok. Fair enough. Not that involved.
We already have a new request: https://www.drupal.org/node/2662068
Seems alright Spanish wise. Content relevant, valid, Drupal focused, etc...
What would be the next step? Thanks!

Saw your update. How do you check the validity of the RSS? Will you still be doing that? Thanks!

https://www.drupal.org/planet/guidelines explains it.

I'll go over those tomorrow to update where necessary and also work on the /planeta guidelines.

Ahhh, sorry. You are right. Forgot about it. Went through it when I first added myself to /planet and then forgot about the whole thing. Would you like me to translate that to spanish? Then we can get a portuguese translator too.
Once the /planeta is consolidated we can add the text in each language on the same page. Right? In the mean time I can publish on my blog or where ever we decide it makes sense.

If you would provide a translation that would be super (also have a look at https://www.drupal.org/node/1860538). I think such a translation deserves its own page in the handbook.

hi @dddave

How can I add the page translated?? and where?? if you let me know I will do it!

another question... there is possible to add a new block in the dashboard like drupal planet block??

Ah! and please can somebody (@ibonelli) change "latinoamericano" by "Hispanolatino". if not spain will be excluded and this doesn't make sense!

Thanks!

Hi Raul,
I started the translation, but did not manage to finish. Too much work right now, and can not seem to squeeze this in.
So I'm attaching what I did so far and you can take over, it is not much... Only a start.
In terms of publishing, we'll need David as far as I know.

In terms of the name (hispanolatino vs latinoamericano) that's a very good point we missed on the discussion. But even though latinoamericano now seems not inclusive enough I don't think hispanolatino will do the trick either. It would also be missing Portugal. With the feed being in spanish and portuguese we should include them too. Luckily the feed is simply "planeta", so that's fine. The question is how to properly name it within the docs.

Thanks for bringing this up and voluntearing for the translation!

Cheers,
Ignacio

Hi @ibonelli,

Well.. the discuss of the name I think this will be a long discuss and I'm not sure if everybody gonna agree it... in my opinion we have two options, accept that "portugal" is added in "hispano" itself or chose a name like "portuñol", Like this is how we call it in spain.

Or we can make a poll with a few names and leave the people chose.

Up to you!

I've created a stub page for you to put your translation into: https://www.drupal.org/node/2670350

Hi @all

The translation is done! just check it out and say something!

bye!

Looking great. Thanks Raul! Added the first part that I translated. I think this concludes the translation of https://www.drupal.org/planet/guidelines

So we are still missing the translation of "Review Drupal Planet requests" (https://www.drupal.org/node/1860538)... Right? Do we really need it? Answer probably is yes. Better to have it than not. But I would push more for a portuguese version of the guidelines first.

There also is the matter of the name... I agree Latinoamericano doesn't fit, in my head we need to include Portugal and Spain. But on the other hand "portuñol" doesn't sound right to me. I've been reading and the region is usually called Iberoamérica (Latinamerica, Spain & Portugal). So unless someone opose I guess it could be "Planeta Iberoamérica". This way we have the three regions and stick to both languages Portugues and Spanish.

Won't you agree?

Ps: I took the liberty of modifying the translated text with Iberoamérica as the name of the region. But it can be what ever we decide is best. Just didn't want to keep Latinoamerica as it wasn't inclusive enough.

Hi @ibonelli

I agree "Planeta Iberoamérica"

+1

@ibonelli @raul_drupal_dev, I understand your concern yet we need to define what a region is and what is the difference between Latin America and Iberoamerica, so we have a criteria to help new regions have their own feeds.

What does region means?

Oxford English Dictionary defines region as:

• "A land; a country; any large portion of the earth's surface considered as defined or distinguished from adjacent areas in some way, as by culture, government, topography, climate, fauna or flora, etc."
• "An administrative division; a subdivision of a larger geographical or political unit, for economic, administrative, or cultural purposes. In later use esp.: such a subdivision specifically created to form part of a system of local government or administration, or defined for the purposes of demographic surveying, planning, etc."

Among other definitions: http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/161281?redirectedFrom=region#eid

Difference between Latin America and Ibero-America

According to wikipedia: "The prefix Ibero- and the adjective Iberian refer to the Iberian Peninsula in Europe, which include Portugal and Spain. Ibero-America includes all Spanish-speaking countries in North, Central, and South America, plus the Portuguese-speaking country of Brazil. Ibero-America is differentiated from Latin America by the exclusion of the French-speaking country of Haiti, the French overseas departments of French Guiana, Martinique and Guadeloupe, and the French collectivities of Saint Martin and Saint Barthélemy."

Conclusions

• By definition, Latin America is more inclusive than Ibero-America.
• Ibero-America does not includes Portugal and Spain.

@develcuy, I fail to see your points and don't agree with the region you are trying to target. We mentioned LatinAmerica due to including Portuguese and Spanish, not French. Wasn't intended to be a land or administrative region, but a language one.

Since this agregates posts, we thought of a zone/region that would aggregate as many people as possible. That allows us to reach more people, have more traffic and keep the project alive. We will only be successful if we have enough movement. If we don't get enough traffic for the planeta, we will be closed.

So having as base Portugues and Spanish, I think Ibero-America is a better fit than Latino-America, we shouldn't exclude Portugal or Spain from the region. I'm all open to a better suggestion, but it has to include Portugal and Spain. Otherwise we fail to reach the target audience.