Drupal 11 readiness meeting / 22 July 2024 [#3463162]

Hello and welcome to this Drupal 11 readiness meeting!

This meeting:
➤ Is for core and contributed project developers as well as people who have integrations and services related to core. Site developers who want to stay in the know to keep up-to-date for the easiest Drupal 11 upgrade of their sites are also welcome.
➤ Happens every Monday at 20:00 CEST (currently 18:00 UTC).
➤ Is done over chat.
➤ Happens in threads, which you can follow to be notified of new replies even if you don’t comment in the thread. You may also join the meeting later and participate asynchronously!
➤ Has a public agenda anyone can add to: `https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/issues/3463162`
➤ *Transcript will be exported and posted* to the agenda issue. For anonymous comments, start with a :bust_in_silhouette: emoji. To take a comment or thread off the record, start with a :no_entry_sign: emoji.

0️⃣ Who is here today? Comment in the thread below to introduce yourself.

hestenet (he/him)	Tim from the DA, following along :wave::skin-tone-3:
smustgrave	floating around
larowlan	Yellow
Björn Brala (bbrala)	Rellow
longwave	:wave:
xjm	Whoops, forgot we were on an every-week cadence now. :wave:
catch	:wave:
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Kristen, catching up, California :wave:
quietone	Hi, catching up
VladimirAus	Vladimir :kangaroo:

1️⃣ Do you have suggested topics you are looking to discuss? Post in this thread and we’ll open threads for them as appropriate.

smustgrave	Not a question but curiosity. Why was Drush 13 chosen for D11 upgrade? I see it's still in beta but D11 is already out
Kristen Pol (she/her)	5️⃣ I’m not remembering what we decided for porting events… I feel like we were thinking early next year? (edited)

2️⃣ Celebrations :tada:

Gábor Hojtsy (he/him)	115 of the top 200 modules have no Drupal 11 incompatibility left according to our tools 🙂
smustgrave	Won't mean much to other but my current project is 55% there for D11 according to upgrade_status. So I'm excited
larowlan	Got another 5 modules out last week with d11 (and gitlab while I was at it). About 30 to go, so past half way
(anonymous)	- I will say the Gitlab CI jobs for testing with next major / upgrade status have made things a lot smoother.

3️⃣ Why is Drush 13 the only version supporting Drupal 11 (its still in beta)

Gábor Hojtsy (he/him)	Raised by @smustgrave
Gábor Hojtsy (he/him)	I think its the matching Symfony compatibility.
smustgrave	any concern that there isn't a release yet for Drush 13 though?
smustgrave	I have no issue with a beta version but didn't know if it's the norm
Gábor Hojtsy (he/him)	I think it usually coincides with the new major version of core than 🙂
Gábor Hojtsy (he/him)	@moshe maybe can elaborate?
moshe	What’s the question?
Gábor Hojtsy (he/him)	"Why is Drush 13 the only version supporting Drupal 11 (its still in beta)"
moshe	There should be two?
smustgrave	Should be two what? sorry
moshe	"Why is Drush 13 the only version supporting Drupal 11"
moshe	Drush 13 is ready for final release IMO. Just waiting on the Drupal release.
smustgrave	So this just may be me, and not sure if Drush 13 works for D10. But I would see if there could be a release of that first as some sites may want to upgrade drush first before D11. I know I like to do things in chunks so if I can upgrade, for example php and drush together I would
moshe	Yes, Drush 13 works with D10. You can specify it in your composer.json
smustgrave	So possible to do a Drush 13 release? Again I have no issue with a beta but can see others may wait
Gábor Hojtsy (he/him)	https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03L6441E1W/p1721673538523489?thread_t... means that Drush 13 will be stable when Drupal 11 is stable.
Gábor Hojtsy (he/him)	https://www.drush.org/12.x/install/ has a compatibility table, says Drush 13 is compatible with Drupal 10 🙂
larowlan	Because symfony 7
mikelutz (he/him)	We probably should try to make the update changes to UpdateDBCommands::updateDoOne() before 13 is released if possible. https://git.drupalcode.org/project/drupal/-/commit/df700a8d660f0912003e7...
mikelutz (he/him)	I just opened https://github.com/drush-ops/drush/issues/6070. Will try to code it up when I have time, there are some BC considerations here to take into account, I’ll try to code it up in the next few days if noone else does.
moshe	Someone else coded it 🙂 . PR just needs some minor help. I commented.
mikelutz (he/him)	Dang, I must have been blind. I looked for another issue before I made that one and must have glossed right over it.
Gábor Hojtsy (he/him)	https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C62H9CWQM/p1721750361344699

4️⃣ Requirements for tagging Drupal 11 stable

Gábor Hojtsy (he/him)	See[#3332028]
Gábor Hojtsy (he/him)	Carried over from last meeting :smile:
Gábor Hojtsy (he/him)	Goal is to update to stable version of jQuery 4 and jQuery UI 4 in time for the stable release, but if there are no stable releases of those available, then we will go with the betas.
Gábor Hojtsy (he/him)	Eg.#3462339: Update to jQuery 4.0.0-beta2 was a few days ago
xjm	The third issue is the thing about avoiding "upgrades" from 10.4 to 11 as much as we can. This is just a bullet in the IS unless someone else filed an issue for it already. We will definitely include an update hook to stop people from hosing their data--there is already an API for this--but we should try to mitigate it in other ways too. (edited)
catch	I don't think there is a core issue for this yet, tbh I keep forgetting we fixed the main update issue so didn't think to file a new one. Can open in a couple of hours.
catch	Here it is:#3463225: [meta] Prevent 'downgrades' from maintenance minors to older minor releases for the next major version
catch	And[#3463226]
xjm	@catch Thank you so much; I can now mark a couple persistent Slack reminders complete ❤️

5️⃣ Drupal 11 contrib porting events (edited)

Gábor Hojtsy (he/him)	Raised by @Kristen Pol (she/her)
Gábor Hojtsy (he/him)	Not sure if we "decided" anything on this honestly
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Okay… then my fuzzy memory is warranted :laughing: