Dynamic Drive CSS library -skeleton Layouts, menu's, forms etc. - a reference

List of Tableless, CSS based skeleton page templates -basic stuff.
A reference for theme design starters from bottom up or alteration.
there are many other references also http://drupal.org/project/raw

I found this one as handy access

http://www.dynamicdrive.com/style/layouts/

also
css menu's forms etc.
http://www.dynamicdrive.com/style/

_{-maybe i should post this to theme dev. handbooks?}