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By kozuch82 on
Drupal,
you did a very very good job for me, but, I had to give you a winkie winkie as my main CMS - I am launching a pretty complex site called StandyWorld.org about standards and my idea is to have possibly as many features as possible in one piece of software. I did a lot of testing of you and you seem still extremely powerfull to me. I had to change to Bitweaver (www.bitweaver.org) because Bitweaver features all i can imagine in one product - articles, blogs, image galleries, forum (at this time phpBB) and wiki. In addition, it can manage your own workflows. And there is one extremely powerful thing - it has a clear set of modules (even the basic features are moduled) which are not overlapping each other. The modules are easy to get from the bitweaver.org site.
I wish you all the best for your future and i still think you are the best solution for small to mid sites and blogs!!! Take care and let us hear from you again!
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forgot my signature ;)
forgot my signature ;)
http://www.standyworld.org
Good luck!
I tried bitWeaver before I finally settled with Drupal. Although it did not cause as much headache as Joomla or Mambo (sorry for diehard Joomla/Mambo fans here), I found bitWeaver verrry SLOW in terms of performance. It also used a lot of CPU resources too according to my unbiased observations. Last time I checked, its dev lead says that they're massively streamlining the SQL connects to make things go faster. I bid them well.
Future
Hi,
thanx for comment, i very appreciate it! I must nothing but agree with you on the slowliness of BitWeaver. Althogh, the guys have done a great job tunning the TikiWiki engine down to a much better performance and they ve not ended at all yet. I will do my best to help them make the tool better. Their priority for each new version is to optimize not only DB performance but the whole tool.
As for the Drupal issues that led me to go further - i was fiddeling around with the Project module for a while - i really needed at least something that reminds of Wiki collaboration style. Drupal with its projects is more like a SW development oriented while i just need an ordinary text wiki.
Jan
ok
Drupal modules do overlap and can be confusing, but project is not a wiki!
There are wiki modules that can be tied together with other modules. Take a look at this movie from Zacker which shows a nice wiki system:
http://www.zacker.org/magic-groups-screencast
He also provided a recipe for how to achieve what he has achieved in that movie.
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Bon chance et voyage
Looks interesting, but also looks like you not only forgot your sig'. What about standards, for example, standards of (n)etiquette?
While the Drupal users here have little to fear from the occasional user-turned-dissident and may even empathise with someone trying to drum-up new users for bitweaver, this hardly seems like a suitable place to blather about as much.
But as the previous post put it, "Good luck..." Bitweaver looks like it'll need your help. Just look at the numbers -- and, remember, when it comes to open-source communities, bigger is better:
http://www.google.com/search?q=powered-by-bitweaver+OR+bitweaver-powered::Results 1 - 72 of about 177,000 for powered-by-bitweaver OR bitweaver-powered.
http://www.google.com/search?q=powered-by-drupal+OR+drupal-powered::Results 1 - 100 of about 4,140,000 for powered-by-drupal OR drupal-powered.
Another opinion
Well,
I can not agree with you on your "the bigger, the better" idea. The quality of any kind of software depends on a quality of the developer team at first. While I recognize drupal as a very good CMS, for my needs Bitweaver is just better. I've talked to the developers of Bitweaver and they have a very friendly and nice attitude to things which gives me a good security feeling.
I would still use Drupal for a small-to-mid size project, definitelly. But simlply its features are not as rich as Bitweaver ones, that's the other side of the road. And I have to obey my needs first.
Just dont understand it I am leaving Drupal project for the rest of my life, I just think it is not the best CMS software any more. A second place is still a good spot, isn't it?
Jan
Agreed on one count, at least :-)
Bigger isn't necessarily better. It's helpful for support and enhancements, but doesn't necessarily have any impact on code quality.
I took a look at bitweaver, and it does look pretty nice for certain kinds of projects. Having built-in wiki and phpbb integration is definitely nice. It still lacks the core function of Drupal I depend on, though -- a shared framework and api for ALL content in the form of nodes. That's essential for the projects I work on, though I can see where it would be unecessary for others.
Good luck!
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Bitweaver has a "kernel" module too
Jeff,
I thikng Bitweaver is superior to Drupal, because it has a kernel module which's functions every other module uses. It also has a module called "Liberty module" that handles pretty much all content like the Drupal node module...
Jan
Footnote
Since the matter is brought up here, for what it is worth, I have just done some initial testing on Drupal and Bitweaver. Drupal comes across as a very high quality package. The first thing one notices is how visually and operationally consistent the system is compared to many other CMSes. However, there is seemingly a lack of out-of-the-box functionality. This is where Bitweaver's strength lies. Most common functions are available from the default install. On the downside, Bitweaver IS slow: http://www.bitweaver.org/wiki/index.php?page=bitweaverPerformance . Hopefully the developers of both systems will be able to spare some time to have a look at these items.
mikelee,I like there is at
mikelee,
I like there is at least one positive opinion about Bitweaver over here. What sux on Drupal is it is sometimes unlogical.
Jan
I really don't get it...
months after announcing your switch to the oh-so superior BW community you're writing:
Obviously you just wanted to run your own project where you are the senior developer. OK, do so, but stop disparaging Drupal, which is definitely not unlogical!
Pancho
Is Bitweaver multilingual?
Multilingual support is one of the main reason we have chosen Drupal.
Is Bitweaver multilingual, or does a module support it ?
How does it handle languages compared to Drupal ?
A comparison would be interesting and useful
Dear quetzal,Bitweaver
Dear quetzal,
Bitweaver comes with many languages installed out of the box (FYI the /language folder has about 8 megs). I guess Bitweaver is superior to Drupal.
Jan
Superior spam
How often do you want to repeat it? It's okay that you think so and switched to another project. It's good that you announced this switch in our community forum.
Of course there are some people turning Drupal down and going for something else. Actually it would really be helpful if more of them told us about their reasons, so we can learn from it and become better. Exactly this is what I am sorely missing in your comments!
8 megs in the language folder? Whoww, am I impressed! (Sounds extremely efficient... ;)
As of the features allegedly missing in Drupal - while (fortunately) not everything is in core, you didn't come up with anything you can't accomplish with Drupal and its modules.
So if you want us to become better, please come up with anything concrete. Otherwise spare us your annoying adspam. And please stop posing as the unbiased webmaster when in fact you have been one of the major contributors of BW for months. This is not okay and IMHO a reason to block your account, if you keep on misleading people.
Pancho
I see how hard you fight for
I see how hard you fight for Drupal. Unfortunately, I haven't have the opportunity to convert my content and see how good Drupal is. Since it's easier to convert to Bitweaver, I'll see how bad it is while waiting for conversion assistance
http://drupal.org/node/198257#comment-654925
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came across this thread while cleaning up some spam. Found it ironic that for all the promotion of bitweaver by the OP, the OP's site is now using wordpress : )
Maybe experience is everything
VM,I think that the decision to switch to one of the latest generation CMS is misguided in most cases,these CMS boast being lightweight and fast but they're also less sophisticated and less functional and when they promote these new CMS they just don't issue fair comments.It should be accounted that CMSes like TikiWiki and Drupal have liitle or no limits,Wordpress and Joomla almost come close,only feature integration that's missing,each of their thousands of extensions works independantly of others and that tends to result in a less than satisfactory site.The point here I'm trying to make is that mature CMSes have come a long way,this forum alone is bigger than the city I live in,so whenever I run to confusion it always seems more reasonable to request support and help in trying to understand than to sacrifice supreme functionality on the excuse that it's too complex.Most of the latest generation CMSes are highly limited and it should be respected that no single CMS will suite every project,different people have different needs and selecting a CMS to best suite their project is not easy since commentary and opinions tend to be vague and most often unfair.I feel compelled to point out that commenters just don't specify the particular pros cons of a CMS based on types of projects so that newcomers to web design can make informed decisions.Drupal has it's pros and cons,so does bitweaver,these should be made more clear so that people can make more productive decisions in future,the OP obviously didn't,that's why he found his way back to a more established and sophisticated web tool,Wordpress,it is without a doubt a fantastic web tool,just not for everybody.
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I don't completely understand your lecture. I'm all for people choosing the right tool for the job. Afterall you wouldn't want to build a house with a butter knife even it is theorhetically possible. Many posts of mine reflect this. Drupal isn't for every type of site or for every type of user.
That said, I continue to find humor in the irony of the original post and my visit to the site to witness what bitweaver could do in this users case that drupal couldn't do and I find a wordpress site not a bitweaver site which is what I expected to see as it seemed to be the answer to this OP's prayers.
Truth be known I find any of the goodbye drupal world posts I locate here and there funny.
Drupal comes with great
Drupal comes with great working install profiles now!! and that multiplies the power by 3x in my perspective!
Bigger community is more helpuful!
VM,I guess what I was trying to say is that mature CMSes may still not suite everyone but at least there's always an active forum to help you answer some questions,and that developers who have been working on the same CMS for years are better equiped to understand it's shortcomings and adress them.New CMSes have not had the time to identify and adress most of their shortcomings and thus the OP's advisers had too little information to work with and simply could not expose the pros and cons of bitweaver as many have not yet been identified leaving the OP to findout for himself.One guy builds a working site with bitweaver and tell everyone it's perfect,another builds a messy site with bitweaver and tell everyone it's horrible,but it's neither perfect nor bad,there's just different kinds of sites with different priorities and the OP simply had to try bitweaver to learn whether it would suite his,he let the cat out of the bag too soon!