It is my impression that manpower and especially server load concerns affects which tools we have available here at drupal.org. This may be mostly linked to the economical situation.

Communitywise (regarding efficient networking and follow-up on issues), this has counterproductive consequences.

I think that drupal.org could benefit a lot from putting more efforts into getting more financing for higher capacity (and hence paid support "roles" etc.) for running this community more flexibly.

The community could thrive even more on practical interaction if we made use of more of our own medicine, such as the very missed bookmarking and subscription modules, for example.

- Is there a dedicated team in place that works solely on financial issues (with that as their first priority)?

- Anyone who can point me to other posts about this?

(I surely long for the improved search features...)

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robertDouglass’s picture

As of yet there is no Drupal foundation. Without a foundation, it is difficult to structure paying people to do things for Drupal (for Drupal's sake). Most of the site maintenance is done by 3-4 volunteers, with the hardware infrastructure being taken care of for us by the Open Source Labs at Portland State University (hope I got the name right).

We want to have a foundation, and work is being done on the issue.

We want to have bookmarking and subscriptions, but the fitting solution hasn't been presented.

Help is welcome.

- Robert Douglass

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Leeteq’s picture

The situation being as it is, then a team should work towards sponsors that can take care of the payment/cover the costs "directly". I cannot see any reason why that should not be possible. There are so many options, which is why I think there should be a small team focusing on this. No need to wait for the foundation to be established, which obviously will take some time.

We could for example have a discussion to outline what such a team should be doing, then make "an official Drupal statement" in the forum and front page, searching for volunteers with the appropriate skills and network for the job.

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sepeck’s picture

Umm, what 'team'? Who will be on this 'team'? Who will be actually doing work? We have insufficient skilled volunteers now to accomplish what needs to be done. Both CivicSpace and Bryght have funded targetted development of specific goals.

It is also more complex then 'server load'. We have a lot more capability with our new server environment. We have a lot of ongoing work being done. We also have a lot of the skilled resources tied up and actively working on a number of the projects right now. This takes a lot of time, testing and planning. All of this while preparing for 4.7 release.

The project module has undergone signficant enhancement (I think CivicSpace funded this). Several people have worked on testing the current CVS code base on Drupal.org upgrade test runs. There are various discussions and groups working on several ideas with groups, marketplace concept, documentation etc.

There is a vague concept of 'team' mentioned that seems to assume that such exists. There isn't a single 'team' so much as people who do things colaboratively and group according to interest/desire and time/skill allow. These are people who are actively known to contribute to the community and consistently work and come back for more.

You seem to have some very 'generic' or 'general' concerns. What specific things do you want to actually accomplish?

-Steven Peck
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Leeteq’s picture

The Drupal community is facing a very special situation this year. Starting last year, the global developments regarding business models, open source, etc., is raising the attention and interests for Drupal, resulting in higher activity level and new challenges.

This poses a unique opportunity to firmly position Drupal as one of the CMS leaders. To leverage this, strategies must be reviewed and renewed. This means change. For the better.

If we manage the most important strategic issues well in this phase in particular, we can now get a serious boost in funding.

But this situation does not last forever, and others are on the move. Plus, it is not done in a week, it takes a serious effort.

As I dont know exactly what the situation is within the decision-making circle of Drupallers, I am merely asking for feedback on what the situation and the available human resources are just now.

Do we have enough marketing and funding professionals here? Do we know about them, who they are? Should we have a poll to invite to a focused forum discussion?

Suggested To do's:
* establish two new forums and teams: Funding and Marketing
* find/recruit professional and dedicated team players and team leaders.
* give clear mandate to the teams
* each team should then make action plans, which should be debated and finally approved according to the mandate.
(* off-topic: the foundation preparations should have a separate forum/team)
* each of these teams should document their plans and progress in separate book sections, and organise their work as project tasks with due dates etc.

We may have to actively recruit more from outside, and would need a plan and a dedicated and professional team for this.

I think it is important to let programmers focus on programming, marketing professionals on marketing and those with the right network and experience handle funding.

Having busy programmers - even if they have competence on the mentioned areas - in charge of non-programmer tasks such as funding and marketing, may affect both parts of the total work negatively. It has clear risks of both slowing things down and loosing opportunities.

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sepeck’s picture

Improved search features will be available when drupal.org is upgraded to 4.7. Drupal.org can't update to 4.7 until more bugs are fixed. :)

We are far more constrained by a lack of people actually doing work.

-Steven Peck
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Test site, always start with a test site.
Drupal Best Practices Guide -|- Black Mountain

-Steven Peck
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Test site, always start with a test site.
Drupal Best Practices Guide

Boris Mann’s picture

Subscriptions is not in the best of shape. We've funded some more work on this and would like to see it as an API likely in the 4.7 timeframe. Bookmark is also not drupal.org-worthy code (and not necessarily the best solution).

As sepeck has said, search kicks ass in 4.7, so that's fixed.

The main lack is people with full time attention to many different complex issues. We do what we can and welcome more help. Join the infrastructure list.

Zack Rosen (http://www.zacker.org) is following up a couple of different fund raising efforts.

Leeteq’s picture

It is a bit strange though, that such "obvious" activity boosters are still not in place - in well coded form - after now several years of development. It is a matter of priorities, as everything else. I am generally impressed and pleased with the priorities of the drupal community. But such glaring issues dont make sense to me.

I just know myself how much more I would have interacted if I could mark threads for later follow-up. What am I to do now - make up a comment on an interesting node just to get it into my track listing? There are just loads of threads I would like to follow-up on and later perhaps write a longer post about than what I have time to when I first see it. As the system works now, they are simply lost. Search have not helped much in finding them back so far.

Another desired feature that would affect contributions is an easy way to tip another drupal user about a thread I think he/she might be interested in.

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robertDouglass’s picture

See here:
http://drupal.org/node/50197

The issue is known, the solution is elusive. We tried with Google Summer of Code to get a good subscriptions module; we got one but it was only 90% finished (see subscription.module) and never took hold. Boris and Bryght have funded two separate initiatives to get a good subscriptions module. Dries has worked closely with a colleague of his (DriesK) to get a newsletter (simplenews) module up to speed. Yet the one-api-to-rule-them-all solution that everybody can build off of is still vaporware.

- Robert Douglass

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