Contribution Events Initiative meeting / 4 July 2022 5am UTC [#3281461]

Meeting will happen in #contribution-events on drupal.slack.com.

Hello and welcome to this asynchronous, biweekly Slack meeting for the Contribution Events Initiative! :wave:

This meeting:
➤ Is for Drupal community members interested in how to better organize, promote, and improve contribution events. We discuss upcoming events, lessons learned from past events, ideas for increasing event participation, how to improve documentation, and more.
➤ Happens every two weeks in alternating timezones: 5pm UTC Mondays (starting 23 May 2022) and 5am UTC Tuesdays (starting 6 June 2022).
➤ Is done over chat.
➤ Is actively facilitated for 1 hour, but is open asynchronously for 24 hours from the meeting start time.
➤ Happens in threads, which you can follow to be notified of new replies even if you don’t comment in the thread. You may also join the meeting later and participate asynchronously!
➤ Transcript will be exported and posted to a project issue for this meeting. For anonymous comments, start with a :bust_in_silhouette: emoji. To take a comment or thread off the record, start with a :no_entry_sign: emoji.

:zero: Who is here today? Comment in the thread to introduce yourself and let us know [insert social question, e.g. if you have any interesting plans for the weekend, what is a recent book/movie/series you enjoyed, what is a new song you like, have any fun vacation plans].
:one: Do you have suggested topics you are looking to discuss? Post in this thread and we’ll open separate threads for them as appropriate. Please use the additional threads for discussion.
:two: Are there any contribution events coming up that you know about? Regular events?
:three: Did you participate in a contribution event recently? Feedback?
:four: Are you looking for a contribution event to help as an organizer, mentor, or participant?
:five: Do you have any resources or documentation suggestions? Do you have suggestions for where to look for existing documentation (even outside of Drupal)?

[add additional topic threads here]

:last: Thank you for attending! Please add any suggestions for improving the meeting agenda or structure of this meeting in this thread.

For #1, don't copy/paste the topics exactly unless they are clear and short enough. Otherwise, summarize the information so it's easy to understand. Then start each of those topic threads with the first item acknowledging the person who suggested the topic, e.g. [@ name] raised this. This is preferred over adding it in the topic to keep the main channel cleaner.
For #2, add this for first item in the thread:
In addition to adding events here, use this issue to add new events and encourage organizers to add these to the Community Events list as well: https://www.drupal.org/project/contribution_events/issues/3281974
For #3, add this for first item in the thread:
In addition to adding feedback here, use this issue or create a child issue to add any contribution event feedback:
https://www.drupal.org/project/contribution_events/issues/3282885
For #4, add this for first item in the thread:
In addition to adding your interest here, use this issue to signify your willingness to help at contribution events: https://www.drupal.org/community-initiatives/contribution-events-initiat...
For #5, add these for first items in the thread:
In addition to adding your resources here, use this issue to note any resources and documentation that might be helpful for contribution events or places we could look (even outside of Drupal): https://www.drupal.org/project/contribution_events/issues/3280005
After #5, review the open project issues to see if there are any topics that should be added for this particular meeting and open numbered threads as appropriate.

0️⃣ Who is here today? Comment in the thread to introduce yourself and let us know what's your favorite holiday (not expecting much US participation tonight due to the hour and it's July 4th holiday here) (edited)

surabhi.gokte	Surabhi, from India :wave:We have a lot of festivals here and so a lot of interesting holidays come up around the year, whichever comes right before/after the weekend becomes my favourite :smile::wave:1
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Kristen, California... maybe Thanksgiving because my sister-in-law and husband do all the cooking and we have 5+ desserts :slightly_smiling_face::wave:1:smiley:1
Nitesh	Nitesh , from india,:wave:2
Asish Sajeev	Asish Sajeev, From India:wave:2
Ak	Ak, from India :smiley::pray:Favorite holiday has to be a nice long weekend :stuck_out_tongue:Cooking, cricket, sudoku - is all I need to enjoy:wave:2
Webbeh	Eric from Atlanta, GA.:wave:2
leslieg	Leslie from Boston, MA:wave:2
Tinto	Hi from Amsterdam, NL. Here we have ‘Keti Koti’ on July 1st, where we celebrate the abolition of slavery in territories formerly under Dutch rule. It’s not an official national holiday yet, but I hope it will be one day. (edited) :wave:2:heart:1
shaal	Ofer Shaal, Florida :sunglasses::wave:2
gusaus	Gus - currently residing in Portland, OR - favorite holidays would be the ones where open source contributors get paid to observe.. so right now, I don't think I have any :joy::wave:2
kimb0	Kim, AU - late:wave:2

1️⃣ Do you have suggested topics you are looking to discuss? Post in this thread and we’ll open separate threads for them as appropriate. Please use the additional threads for discussion.

Kristen Pol (she/her)	Open Collective status (or lack thereof):heavy_check_mark:1
surabhi.gokte	Planning tentative dates for D10 Porting day!:heavy_check_mark:2
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Open social vs promotion/marketing website:heavy_check_mark:1
surabhi.gokte	Should we have a specific tag for this initiative which can be used every-time for tagging issues, for marketing over social media and wherever else required?:heavy_check_mark:1
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Review of initiative goals:heavy_check_mark:1
gusaus	I think the topics already mentioned are potential solutions to the larger issue of keeping this (or any community driven project or initiative) active 'without' relying on the availability (or lack thereof) of one or two maintainers or organizers.:heavy_check_mark:1
Kristen Pol (she/her)	True... if we had different "owners" for for the different areas then that would help and the funding certainly would be a way to drive contribution here:heavy_plus_sign:1:heavy_check_mark:1
gusaus	Considering we're looking for ways to join forces with #event-organizers (now over 400 channel members)... seems like there's potential to join forces on some of their initiatives. If you look at how they structure (the Event Platform for example) there are already some similarities to what we're talking about here... in terms of having different teams and owner for sub-projects/initiatives.Drupal.orgInitiativesEOWG has identified three inaugural initiatives: Drupal Events Information, Drupal Event Platform, and Onboarding to the Drupal Community at Events.Feb 26th, 2021 (39 kB)https://www.drupal.org/node/3200470Drupal.orgDrupal Event PlatformPurpose The event website is one of the most important and laborious tasks associated with producing a quality Drupal event. For some events, the website is the main application that helps organize and build the entire experience from collecting session submissions to assigning presentations to the schedule. The Drupal Event Platform (DEP) committee within the Drupal Event Organizers Working Group (EOWG) is looking to reduce the time and resources it takes to create an event website site through the creation of a flexible and customizable website starter kit for event organizers.Mar 2nd, 2021https://www.drupal.org/node/3201091:heavy_check_mark:1
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Oh! Sorry, I didn't realise this was in the topics thread... needs to be split out into its own... will do now:heavy_check_mark:1

2️⃣ Are there any contribution events coming up that you know about? Regular events?

Kristen Pol (she/her)	In addition to adding events here, use this issue to add new events and encourage organizers to add these to the Community Events list as well: [#3281974]Drupal.org2022 Drupal contribution eventsProblem/Motivation Right now it's not easy to find upcoming contribution events so use this as a temporary place to document them until we have good documentation in place for advertising these.May 24th
Kristen Pol (she/her)	I see this on the list: Drupal Camp Asheville (July 8-10, space to contribute but not mentored)
Kristen Pol (she/her)	That's the only camp I see in July: https://www.drupal.org/community/eventsDrupal.orgEvents"Come for the software, stay for the community" is the slogan of the Drupal Community and that applies nowhere more than at the events where we gather. We create a place where people new to Drupal can learn about what makes it so special. The journey from outsider to community member and contributor starts with events in your neighborhood.Apr 21st, 2020

3️⃣ Did you participate in a contribution event recently? Feedback?

Kristen Pol (she/her)	For #3, add this for first item in the thread:In addition to adding feedback here, use this issue or create a child issue to add any contribution event feedback:[#3282885]Drupal.orgMETA: 2022 Drupal contribution events feedbackProblem/Motivation/Idea It would be good to get feedback from contribution events on an ongoing basis to help us improve upon events in the future. What went well? What resources were helpful? What could have went better? Any suggestions for the next event? Proposed resolution Use this general issue or clone this issue to create a child issue for collecting any feedback related to contribution events in 2022. Remaining tasks Collect feedback in this ticket or in new child issues Create followup issues as neededMay 29th
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Design4Drupal Boston was Friday June 24th and had a contribution event so it would be interesting to hear from @leslieg on that... at a suitable hour :slightly_smiling_face: (edited)
leslieg	The contribution event at Design4Drupal Boston went really well. We had folks from across the United States participating. Two folks made their first contributions and others made their first contributions to the Project Browser initiative. The issues we were working on were well-suited for first timers as they were new issues and did not have a long trail of comments to go through. Folks proposed short non-technical descriptions for Drupal modules, proposed best categories for modules and created or reviewed logos for modules.:tada:1
leslieg	If anyone has a contribution event coming up, I would be happy to either join to work on these type of issues or show someone what is needed.:tada:1
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Glad it went well, thanks for the update :+1:
gusaus	Yes if we consider these types of online meetings as contribution events :joy:
Kristen Pol (she/her)	True! It is contribution... very meta :slightly_smiling_face: (edited)

4️⃣ Are you looking for a contribution event to help as an organizer, mentor, or participant? Or want to add contribution activities to an event you are organizing?

Kristen Pol (she/her)	For #4, add this for first item in the thread:In addition to adding your interest here, use this issue to signify your willingness to help at contribution events: https://www.drupal.org/community-initiatives/contribution-events-initiat... events organizers and mentorsThis is a partial list of contribution event organizers, mentors, and volunteers around the world. Do you help with contribution events? Add your name :) The goal of this list is to allow people to connect with each other when needing help with contribution events.May 14th
Tinto	I don’t have much time in the next few months, but I hope I contribute some more time in the latter part of the year.:+1:1
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Cross posting https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1657027861382299?thread_t... anyone has a contribution event coming up, I would be happy to either join to work on these type of issues or show someone what is needed.From a thread in contribution-events \| Jul 5th \| View reply
gusaus	Probably could propose and help organize several if there are positive outcomes around 6 & 8 :grinning::+1:1

5️⃣ Do you have any resources or documentation suggestions? Do you have suggestions for where to look for existing documentation (even outside of Drupal)?

Kristen Pol (she/her)	For #5, add these for first items in the thread:In addition to adding your resources here, use this issue to note any resources and documentation that might be helpful for contribution events or places we could look (even outside of Drupal): [#3280005]Drupal.orgMETA: Gather documentation and resources for contribution event organizationProblem/Motivation To help encourage more contribution events, we should find existing and create new documentation and resources for how to plan, organize, run, and market contribution events of various types. Proposed resolution Look for existing documentation and resources and figure out what gaps there are.May 12th
gusaus	This page is a bit hard to navigate, but the WordPress training team could be a great source for documentation, resources, and collaborators. Mentioning the latter considering there are a group of folks (myself included) banding together to extend this type of hackathon format (for Drupal and WordPress) in Open Collective's Slack make.wordpress.orgMake WordPress TrainingWordPress Training Team, creating materials for teacher-led classes. (172 kB)https://make.wordpress.org/training/Make WordPress Communitiesdo_action: Charity Hackathondo_action is a charity hackathon that uses WordPress to uplift local communities. What is do_action? do_action hackathons are community-organized events that focus on using WordPress to give deserv…Feb 10th, 2017
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Thanks!
gusaus	This WordPress program may also provide some great resources but also serve as inspiration for a larger 'Drupal contributions' initiative.wordpress.orgFive for the FutureHow five percent is powering the next generation of the web (782 kB)https://wordpress.org/five-for-the-future/:+1:1
Kristen Pol (she/her)	I just finally watched @Ruth Cheesley (she/her)'s great video on the Mautic partner program https://speaking.ruthcheesley.co.uk/uIAJxk/establishing-an-incentivised-... an incentivised partners programme in an open source project by Ruth CheesleyWhile money is helpful in open source projects, hands-on contributions are probably more valuable to the long term health and sustainability of the project. (239 kB)https://speaking.ruthcheesley.co.uk/uIAJxk/establishing-an-incentivised-...
gusaus	Actually was going to reference the Mautic Community Handbook as a resource in this discussion.Mautic is another example of a project where there are some advantages of using and collaborating in Open Collective's community.Ruth is one of more active members in #drupal and #opensource channels in https://opencollective.slack.com/Mautic Community HandbookMautic Community Handbook \| Mautic Community HandbookMautic Community Handbook. . This handbook is a central point of call for how the Mautic community is organised and managed.The vision is that it will grow over time as the teams and governance structure evolves, with team members adding useful resources and updating processes as they mature and are refined.:+1:1:blob_wave:1
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Nice :+1:

6️⃣ Open Collective status (or lack thereof)

Kristen Pol (she/her)	I've been meaning to focus some time on funding/OC but everything else seems to be getting in the way
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Note I was thinking if we set it up then it would be good to do something generic like "Drupal Contribution" rather than "Drupal Contribution Events" so that this can be a more general fund related to contribution:heavy_plus_sign:1
Kristen Pol (she/her)	My new target is to look at this tomorrow for a few hours... it's been on my "short list" for weeks :confused:
seantwalsh	@Kristen Pol (she/her) the NJ camp recently joined OC under the Open Collective Foundation as our fiscal host. Happy to provide any help with this. It’s pretty straightforward to set up and apply.:+1:1
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Thanks :pray:
gusaus	Note I was thinking if we set it up then it would be good to do something generic like "Drupal Contribution" rather than "Drupal Contribution Events" so that this can be a more general fund related to contributionUsually the collective name is the same as the project or initiative (if possible).Seems like there's consideration (and potential opportunity) to occupy the 'Drupal contribution' namespace for both the initiative and website. Is that right?
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Right, I guess we could consider rebranding to a bigger focus but I'd need to wrap my head around what that would actually mean
gusaus	Cool that there are other folks in this discussion able to advocate for Open Collective Foundation as a host (fiscal sponsor) for this type of collective.Difference between a collective for events (which I think is how OC most widely used around Drupal circles) and one for ongoing initiatives is there are whole bunch of benefits (like potential for full time jobs for organizers) and services that OCF can provide to sustain the latter.opencollective.foundationOpen Collective FoundationOC Foundation offers nonprofit status + fundraising + money management software to aligned groups. (152 kB)https://opencollective.foundation/
gusaus	Apologies for threading the threads, but I think this is related https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1657056146825769?thread_t... WordPress program may also provide some great resources but also serve as inspiration for a larger 'Drupal contributions' initiative.From a thread in contribution-events \| Jul 6th \| View reply
gusaus	Considering there's already overlap with what Drupal Association does it would make sense to involve @hestenet (he/him) and/or other DA folks with this part of the evaluation/discussion.Drupal.orgWhat we doThe Drupal Association runs a variety of programs and initiatives aimed at supporting the Drupal software project, the community and its growth. The two main focuses of the Association are Drupal.org - the online home of the Drupal community, and DrupalCon - an annual international conference. We also run Drupal Jobs, a portal for job seekers and employers, and Promote Drupal which brings together marketers, agencies, and evangelists to create and disseminate open source materials that help grow Drupal adoption.Jan 20th, 2017Kristen Pol (she/her)Right, I guess we could consider rebranding to a bigger focus but I'd need to wrap my head around what that would actually meanFrom a thread in contribution-events \| Jul 6th \| View reply
hestenet (he/him)	Drupal Contribution seems fine to me as far as a current sense of 'brand':raised_hands:2
hestenet (he/him)	The big picture is good, but also good to put one foot in front of the other and focus on shor tterm achievable targets.:100:1
gusaus	So would it make sense then to rename/rebrand as 'Drupal contribution initiative'?
gusaus	or Drupal contributions initiative? whatever is deemed as the proper naming
hestenet (he/him)	I would say Kristen's initiative is still focused on contribution events - but that when we're looking at setting up bits of infra that could be used for a wider purpose, it doesn't hurt to name them more broadly and make them more easy to re-use:point_up:1
hestenet (he/him)	.Don't need duplicates later.
gusaus	Obviously it's difficult to track all these conversations (parsing them into issues and blog posts could be a great way for newcomers to become involved :thinking_face: ) but I think @Kristen Pol (she/her) is considering the larger scope (especially if it doesn't deter from being able to enable/promote/sustain contribution events).
hestenet (he/him)	Really up to her:heavy_plus_sign:1
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Thanks for the input :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Kristen Pol (she/her)	I'm wondering if "Drupal Contribution" or "Drupal Contributions" resonates better with people... maybe for a collective, the plural would make more sense though I tend to gravitate toward the singular myself
Kristen Pol (she/her)	@hestenet (he/him) What is this one for? https://opencollective.com/drupal-collectivesopencollective.comDrupal Collectives - Open CollectiveThese are all the Drupal Ecosystem projects on Open Collective (158 kB)https://opencollective.com/drupal-collectives
hestenet (he/him)	Uh good question. Must have been made when we were first working with OC team
hestenet (he/him)	That one might be reusable
Kristen Pol (she/her)	I'm reviewing all the existing collectives and that's the only one that seems "generic"... the rest are DA, events, modules (e.g. webform), and initiatives (e.g. DDI) (edited)
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Though doesn't really evoke "Drupal contribution" IMO
Kristen Pol (she/her)	@gusaus you mentioned using OCF but I see a number of collectives using OSC... other than the fee difference, do you know anything about the difference? (apologies if this was already covered in a thread)Screen Shot 2022-07-05 at 3.17.46 PM.png
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Seems like Open Source Collective is more appropriate
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Examples: Drupal Asheville, DDI, and Drupal Utah are using OCF while Webform, Drupal Core Maintainers, and Sydney Drupal User Group use OSC. Some others have their own collective (e.g. DA, Drupal Austria) or others use something else entirely.
seantwalsh	OCF is non profit, not sure about osc. Drupal NJ had to be a non profit because we came from the Drupal Assoc then Software Freedom Conservancy. If the funds will be used to pay for contrib events or specific efforts OSC seems like a good fit. Really a matter of weighing needs and what host would be best.
Kristen Pol (she/her)	OSC is a non profit as well
Kristen Pol (she/her)	The funds would be 1) to pay for this initiative to get more people involved, 2) help fund events, and then 3) figure out how else funds would be useful in the contribution space
seantwalsh	Ah missed that bit in the screenshot
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Even though the host fee is higher, I think OSC is the one we should do, but we need to decide on singular vs plural now (Drupal Contribution vs Drupal Contributions) because we won't be able to change that later in the "machine name" :slightly_smiling_face:
gusaus	I’ll chime in once I return from my afternoon walk :walking:
hestenet (he/him)	I think I like 'singular' better -- it's kind of a collective noun anyway.:+1:1
hestenet (he/him)	But no strong preference
Kristen Pol (she/her)	I prefer singular too but I did notice plural used for Twitter hashtags
gusaus	What is this one for? https://opencollective.com/drupal-collectivesLooks like that was created back when the Open Collective founders were creating collectives and really trying to serve our community. Granted Open Collective and the community was tiny.The intent was to have that be sort of an umbrella collective (supercollective was the OC term at the time) that could group together all the Drupal collectives and create ways to fund upstream, downstream, and in-between.Since then, OC has shelved that term but provide (better) ways to group and x-fund collectives.One of which is they now offer a wide range of services for groups and initiatives through their nonprofit foundation.Slack \| general \| Open Collective 2022-07-05 16-46-29.png opencollective.comDrupal Collectives - Open CollectiveThese are all the Drupal Ecosystem projects on Open Collective (158 kB)https://opencollective.com/drupal-collectives
gusaus	you mentioned using OCF but I see a number of collectives using OSC... other than the fee difference, do you know anything about the difference?Let me know if aspects of this comment help explain the difference between OCF and OSC. You'll also see OCF and OSC explained in the "Apply to one of our Fiscal Hosts" section of https://opencollective.com/fiscal-hostingDrupal.orgExplore connecting Contribution Events Initiative to Open Collective fundingProblem/Motivation Open Collective is a way to allow funding for open source projects. Contribution events can always benefit from getting funding to help those who might not be able to afford to contribute the opportunity to do so. Steps to reproduce Proposed resolution Explore how this might work and figure out next steps. Remaining tasks Read through existing discussing in Open Collective #drupal channel Figure out best approach Create followup issues as needed User interface changes API changes Data model changesMay 18thopencollective.comOpen CollectiveMake your community sustainable. Collect and spend money transparently. (2 MB)https://opencollective.com/fiscal-hosting
gusaus	I think OSC is the one we should do,Hopefully what I referenced in the last comment explains why OCF is the better fit for sustaining groups, events, and community initiatives.
gusaus	These two strategy posts may also help provide details on the similarities and differences between OCF and OSC.OCF - https://blog.opencollective.com/ocf-strategic-plan-checkin/OSC - https://blog.opencollective.com/open-source-collectives-strategy-2022-20... can tell you from experience with a variety of OSC and OCF hosted collectives... even though they both share resources like the Open Collective platform and their engineering team. OFC has been consistently building capacity with additional team members and partnerships https://opencollective.foundation/#teamOpen CollectiveOCF Strategic Plan Check-inSix months later, here's what we've achieved and learned. After clarifying our mission & values [https://docs.opencollective.foundation/about/mission-and-values] and growing our team [https://docs.opencollective.foundation/about/team], Open Collective Foundation committed to a strategy based on solidarity as our guiding principle [https://blog.opencollective.com/solidarity-as-our-guiding-principle/], andWritten byAlanna IrvingFiled undernews, ocfMar 25thhttps://blog.opencollective.com/ocf-strategic-plan-checkin/Open CollectiveOpen Source Collective's Strategy 2022-2025In this post we outline the strategy for Open Source Collective, our five-year-old host organisation that now supports over 3,000 projects and their communities.Written byBenjamin NickollsFiled underOpen Source, open source collective, OSCJan 21st (198 kB)https://blog.opencollective.com/open-source-collectives-strategy-2022-20... Collective FoundationOC Foundation offers nonprofit status + fundraising + money management software to aligned groups. (152 kB)https://opencollective.foundation/#team
Kristen Pol (she/her)	This is super helpful, thanks @gusaus I'm jumping in meetings but will try hard to read this after
Kristen Pol (she/her)	I'll read these ^ now... as for singular vs plural, there's this :slightly_smiling_face: https://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/171707/how-to-use-contribution-a...…]from%20Merriam%2DWebster)%3AEnglish Language Learners Stack ExchangeHow to use "contribution" and "contributions"How do I know whether I should use the singular or plural form of contribution? I did an exercise. The …………… of artists could not be exaggerated. The answer is contribution. Why didn't it use the
gusaus	I left a related followup in Open Collective's Drupal channel. Thinking it might be way more efficient to connect with folks with the OCF team. They're great - super knowledgable and accommodating - and have team members scattered all over the world.Once up and running, there would be all sorts of opportunity to collaborate with OSC team members (on contributing to Drupal 'projects' that have collectives) in their #opensouce channel. Considering we just onboarded their community manager (along with an open source community manager y'all will know) into our drupal channel, it'll be easy to intro and centralize collaboration in the larger channel.opencollective.comOSC Community Calls – What we talked about in May & where to sign up for next Thursday, June 16th - Open Source CollectiveThank you to everyone who joined our last community call! We're excited about the opportunity that this monthly space can hold for our projects to talk with one another and learn how to best build up their open source projects. For those wh...
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Reading the strategy posts from OCF and OSC, I got the impression that OCF was more mature and robust
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Okay, reading the fine print... OCF is a 501(c)(3) and OSC is a 501(c)(6) which are similar but I found this. Since the former is exempt from state taxes (in US) as well as federal and donations are tax deductible, we should definitely go with OCF since we would want the donations to be tax deductible2 files
Kristen Pol (she/her)	https://donorbox.org/nonprofit-blog/501c3-vs-501c6Nonprofit Blog501(c)(3) Vs 501(c)(6) - A Detailed Comparison for NonprofitsLearn the noteworthy differences and similarities between 501c3 and 501c6, their purposes, activities, limits on political involvement, & more in this blog.Apr 22nd
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Added a comment to the issue with the decision: #3280986: META: Explore connecting Drupal Contribution to Open Collective funding#comment-14595818Drupal.orgMETA: Explore connecting Contribution Events Initiative to Open Collective fundingProblem/Motivation Open Collective is a way to allow funding for open source projects. Contribution events can always benefit from getting funding to help those who might not be able to afford to contribute the opportunity to do so. Steps to reproduce Proposed resolution Explore how this might work and figure out next steps. Remaining tasks Read through existing discussing in Open Collective #drupal channel Figure out best approach Create followup issues as needed User interface changes API changes Data model changesMay 18th
Kristen Pol (she/her)	We need at least 2 admins before applying for OCF (I can be one) (edited)

7️⃣ Any more thoughts on Drupal 10 porting events in 2022? Ideally soon?

Kristen Pol (she/her)	raised by @surabhi.gokteIssue:#3291535: META: Organize 2022 Drupal 10 porting day or weekend contribution events (edited) Drupal.orgMETA: Organize 2022 Drupal 10 porting day or weekend contribution eventsProblem/Motivation/Idea The Project Update Bot has been busy creating Drupal 10 compatibility patches! We could get these committed with help from the community Proposed resolution Organize a porting day or weekend similar to what was done in 2020 for Drupal 8 to 9. Remaining tasks Figure out who's interested in helping organize Pick dates/times Find mentors Set up Open Social Promote Run event Credit people who organize, mentor, and contribute Gather feedback from participants Create recapJun 20th
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Hasn't been much activity
Kristen Pol (she/her)	We might need to just pick the first date and then ping possible mentors/organizers:+1:1
surabhi.gokte	I think in the last meeting we also talked that there was an update to be done after which we can plan for porting day. Is that done?
Kristen Pol (she/her)	I got confirmation that we should just have one "as soon as possible" because there are plenty that can be worked on already
Kristen Pol (she/her)	That said, if there are projects with tests then we need to be careful because if they are not opting into CI deprecation checking then there may be tests that are failing due to deprecations
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Here's the summary https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C014CT1CN1M/p1656441268995909?thread_t... Pol (she/her)Rewritten... is this closer?1) drupalci deprecation messages are disabled/suppressed by default2) If drupalci deprecation messages are enabled, then test deprecations will be caught in CIShow moreFrom a thread in d10readiness \| Jun 29th \| View reply
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Mentors and contributors will need to know about this or it might be frustrating
surabhi.gokte	Cool, should we plan mid July or end?
Kristen Pol (she/her)	I'm thinking end of July would be good... maybe the 2 of us just pick a date and go from there... when's good for your team?
Kristen Pol (she/her)	My bday is 20 July so don't want it too close to that
surabhi.gokte	Oh, absolutely! We will do after that :slightly_smiling_face:
surabhi.gokte	Last week July should work for us
Kristen Pol (she/her)	@surabhi.gokte any particular day good?
surabhi.gokte	There is always a debate b/w weekday or weekend. I think we can keep it open for Fri and Sat both --thinking out loud!
Kristen Pol (she/her)	If we do US Thursday then that's Australia Friday which might allow for people to get some sponsored work time... I'd prefer not to do the weekend since we should really try to encourage employers to make time for their employees within the work week IMO
surabhi.gokte	That’s true. But i think that is critical point.I am totally okay with weekday Thurs-Fri —28/29 July looks good?
Kristen Pol (she/her)	We could do the first one as a single 24 hour porting day to see how it goes and document everything and then perhaps do a longer one for another round later:+1:1
Gábor Hojtsy (he/him)	Project drupalci settings and project update bot settings are unrelated.

8️⃣ Open Social website vs a more marketing-focused one

Kristen Pol (she/her)	I was thinking Open Social is the site we used when running events whereas we might be better served by a different structure for promotion and marketing. I am planning on playing around with both in a sandbox environment
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Ideally I could get an export of https://drupalcontributions.opensocial.site/ to play withdrupalcontributions.opensocial.siteWelcome to the Drupal Contribution Platform \| DrupalCon Contribution PlatformWelcome to the Drupal Contribution Platform! Whether it is writing code for new features, testing that new code, finding bugs, documenting how to use Drupal, building marketing resources for organizations to use, providing learning and education, or mentoring others building their skills in any of these ways … there is a place for you to make your mark. RegisterLogin The DrupalCon Code of Conduct applies here.https://drupalcontributions.opensocial.site/
Kristen Pol (she/her)	I have bought a few possible domains in any case:drupalcontribution.com (and org and net and site)drupalcontributions.com (and net and site)Note: drupalcontributions.org is being used by Drop Solid though seems inactive (edited)
Kristen Pol (she/her)	There was a discussion of having something like this at contribution.drupal.org but this isn't viable in the short term so I suggest we set up something with a custom domain and develop a proof of concept to see how these might benefit the community. The goal isn't to take away from any existing drupal.org content but rather augment and work iteratively... with the possibility of rolling things back into drupal.org as it makes sense
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Mike Herchel gave me a copy of the Florida Drupal Camp site play with since that's beautifully themed
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Also, a general site could be more than just events... i.e. pointing off to documentation/resources, perhaps taking the place of what the initiative guide was planning on being... not sure... I think we just have to prototype some things to see what makes sense
Kristen Pol (she/her)	@markconroy also provided some code to look at: https://twitter.com/markconroy/status/1542874778821877762?s=20&t=S87pc24... Conroy @markconroy@kristen_pol Here's a proof-of-concept of a very simple event listing using Gatsby, with each event being a markdown file.clone repo, run gatsby develop, have fun (it's ugly, but that's not the point)https://github.com/markconroy/drupal-contribution-event-calendarTwitter \| Jul 1st
shaal	I found the current open-social for Drupal contributions very confusing (between signing-up and finding where you need to go).Also, could be interesting to utilize https://vdo.ninja, because it allows people to connect video/screen share directly between each other without a streaming server in the middle.vdo.ninjaVDO.NinjaBring live video from your smartphone, computer, or friends directly into Studio. 100% free. (306 kB)https://vdo.ninja/
shaal	(of course, I’ll be happy to work on how the new/future version of that look like)
Kristen Pol (she/her)	I watched a demo of https://vdo.ninja and it looked very cool vdo.ninjaVDO.NinjaBring live video from your smartphone, computer, or friends directly into Studio. 100% free. (306 kB)https://vdo.ninja/
gusaus	I think we were making a pretty good case for extending the current Open Social instance in the latter part of this discussion.To @shaal's point and others who found the current setup incomplete or confusing... it might help to look though their marketing site @ https://www.getopensocial.com/ to get a better sense for the features, uses cases, case studies, etc,Also keep in mind it's also a freely available, extendable distribution built on Drupal 9.We've yet to update this issue to reflect some of the recent convo in these threads, but I think we could make a pretty good case for migrating (from the current SaaS) to a self hosted (sponsored) environment like Pantheon.gusaus@Kristen Pol (she/her) Following up on #3293202: META: Create website for organizing contribution events as @ronaldtebrake is already in this conversation...Create a drupalcontribution.com type website where mentored events can be proposed.Seems to me like https://drupalcontributions.opensocial.site/ is already set up to accommodate what you describe.Show moreFrom a thread in contribution-events \| Jun 29th \| View replyOpen SocialCommunity Engagement Platform Software - Start Your Online Community - Get A 1:1 DemoEmpower sharing in your organization! Share knowledge, work together, organize events and drive innovation ✓ Powering 1000+ community engagement platforms ✓ Request a 1:1 demoWritten byDaniel Cabrera CabreraTime to read2 minutesDec 10th, 2020https://www.getopensocial.com/Drupal.orgOpen SocialOpen Social's Community Engagement Platform Create digital spaces that empower your members to share with Open Social's out-of-the-box solution for your online community. Open Social is used by international organisations around the world such as The United Nations, Greenpeace, the European Commision, FIFA and many more. Open Social - Social Business Software Check out @OpenSocialHQ for the latest updates and news.Nov 2nd, 2013Drupal.orgStrategy for using Open Social drupalcontributions.opensocial.site for ongoing contribution eventsProblem/Motivation The drupalcontributions.opensocial.site website has been used for several contribution events including for DrupalCons. It would be useful as an default tool available for any contribution event. Steps to reproduce Proposed resolution Figure out how to make this happen. Remaining tasks Contact open social Figure out next steps Make followup issues as necessary User interface changes API changes Data model changesMay 23rd

9️⃣ Special tag for contribution event issues

Kristen Pol (she/her)	raised by @surabhi.gokte
Kristen Pol (she/her)	I'm hesitant on adding a special tag for this group because 1) I'm not sure how this would be used, 2) events often have their own special tags, and 3) people often use tags incorrectly (e.g. spaces vs no spaces, adding extra words, etc) (edited)
Kristen Pol (she/her)	@surabhi.gokte How do you see this being used?
surabhi.gokte	I am also skeptical with the idea of using tags but sometimes they come handy.If we conduct Sprints we will have all info at one place via the tag we use, and we can even use it for Promotions. And unlike special tags for events, this could be more generic that can be used everytime we conduct a Sprint within this initiative.
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Right, but I think if we help organize an event then we'd just use a tag for that event... like the porting stuff... we had special tags for the 2 porting events in 2020 as far as I remember
surabhi.gokte	Yup, we did. Sure that way is also good :thumbsup:
leslieg	I agree with using the event tags:+1:2

🔟 Initiative goals ready for review

Kristen Pol (she/her)	Issue: #3279806: Determine goals for the Contribution Events community project#comment-14594315Drupal.orgDetermine goals for the Contribution Events community projectProblem/Motivation This project needs to have concrete goals to be successful. Some have been added to the project page already and pasted below but these should be reviewed and updated/augmented as needed. Ideally, very specific goals can be created such as increasing the number of contribution events by x% by y date in order to better measure success.May 11th
gusaus	Is it safe to say goals may have changed considering the larger scope of the initiative coming out of this discussion and subsequent issue?Kristen Pol (she/her)6️⃣ Open Collective status (or lack thereof)Thread in contribution-events \| Jul 5th \| View messageDrupal.orgSet up Drupal Contribution collective with Open Collective FoundationProblem/Motivation/Idea We've decided to create a collective on Open Collective. See the parent issue: #3280986: META: Explore connecting Drupal Contribution to Open Collective funding Proposed resolution Apply via Open Collective Foundation and see if they approve it.Jul 6th
gusaus	Reconciling the goals with the evolving scope and this bit of discussion, I think we could consolidate goals listed here and here along with sub-projects or initiatives (including EOWG) in this issue. We could then circle back to this issue and see if there are common roles and needs between 'all' related initiatives and projects.Does that kinda make sense?gusausConsidering we're looking for ways to join forces with #event-organizers (now over 400 channel members)... seems like there's potential to join forces on some of their initiatives. If you look at how they structure (the Event Platform for example) there are already some similarities to what we're talking about here... in terms of having different teams and owner for sub-projects/initiatives.From a thread in contribution-events \| Jul 6th \| View replyDrupal.orgDetermine goals for the Contribution Events community projectProblem/Motivation This project needs to have concrete goals to be successful. Some have been added to the project page already and pasted below but these should be reviewed and updated/augmented as needed. Ideally, very specific goals can be created such as increasing the number of contribution events by x% by y date in order to better measure success.May 11thDrupal.orgDetermine working relationship between EOWG and Contribution Events InitiativeProblem/Motivation/Idea The Event Organizers Working Group (EOWG) exists and has some overlap in goals with the Contribution Events Initiative (CEI). We want to be able to effecting work together and not duplicate effort. Proposed resolution Collaborate to figure out the best approach to work together.Jun 14thDrupal.orgInitiativesEOWG has identified three inaugural initiatives: Drupal Events Information, Drupal Event Platform, and Onboarding to the Drupal Community at Events.Feb 26th, 2021 (39 kB)https://www.drupal.org/node/3200470Drupal.orgMETA: Contribution Events Initiative roles and tasksProblem/Motivation This was brought up by @gusaus during the initiative meeting on 23 May 2022. How to use contribution events to gain experience for a variety of roles?May 24th
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Good point... I won't be able to look at this until tomorrow though
gusaus	Seems perfect timing... considering I'm currently involved in similar, way over my head discussions in the WordPress community.
Kristen Pol (she/her)	Having some house emergencies so not sure when I'll get to this… we have to relocate due to leaks in ceiling going into light fixtures and smoke detector from A/C
gusaus	Oh man - that sucks. Sorry to hear that!:+1:1

1️⃣ 1️⃣ Thank you for attending! Please continue the discussions in the threads and feel free add any suggestions for improving the meeting agenda or structure of this meeting in this thread.

Kristen Pol (she/her)	Feedback here :slightly_smiling_face:
Kristen Pol (she/her)	There was some discussion that perhaps this isn't the best time given the lack of synchronous participation but I still would like to try this slot a couple more times before considering moving it. As long as we have async participation then it works as designed

1️⃣ 2️⃣ (additional thread) Creating sub groups/owners and aligning with EOWG

Kristen Pol (she/her)	raised by @gusaus
Kristen Pol (she/her)	https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1657058606509509?thread_t... we're looking for ways to join forces with #event-organizers (now over 400 channel members)... seems like there's potential to join forces on some of their initiatives. If you look at how they structure (the Event Platform for example) there are already some similarities to what we're talking about here... in terms of having different teams and owner for sub-projects/initiatives.From a thread in contribution-events \| Jul 6th \| View reply
Kristen Pol (she/her)	https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1657055198533139?thread_t... Pol (she/her)True... if we had different "owners" for for the different areas then that would help and the funding certainly would be a way to drive contribution hereFrom a thread in contribution-events \| Jul 6th \| View reply