| Webbeh |
:wave: Eric Sembrat (Webbeh), web developer at Georgia Tech in Atlanta, GA. I help steer the DrupalCon Higher-Ed Summit and our Higher-Ed Drupal community. |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Kristen, California, mostly worked this weekend but got a lot done :wink: (edited) |
| hestenet (he/him) |
Tim from the DA in Portland, OR (Clackamas and Multnomah Chinook lands) - Had a nice relaxed weekend and took a drive out in the nice weather here. |
| surabhi.gokte |
Surabhi Gokte from India, last weekend was too much occupied because I am shifting home! And so will be the next one too.. :smile: |
| gusaus |
Gus - currently residing in the same lands as Tim - the weekend was enjoyable because the weather was finally nice! |
| leslieg |
Leslie from Boston MA. Pulled a lot of weeds this weekend |
| (anonymous) |
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| liberatr (he/him) |
Ryan - also Portland, OR - went to an outdoor art fair this weekend. Very relaxing. |
| florisg |
Floris - Europe |
| Gábor Hojtsy (he/him) |
Gábor, weekend feels like it was a long time ago :smile: |
| gregg_marshall |
Gregg from Denver, snowy weekend |
| AmyJune (volkswagenchick) |
AmyJune. Long weekend and went and saw the Guthrie Girls sing folk songs at an eatery. (woody’s g-daughters) |
| hestenet (he/him) |
Ooh - that sounds neat |
| AmyJune (volkswagenchick) |
It was! It was a pleasant evening of listening to iconic labour and AMericana songs |
| kimb0 |
Kim, catching up |
| Chris Darke |
Chris, currently in the UK, weekend was a mix of cycling and gardening and cooking and eating .. and of course I forgot this was happening! |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Since this is the first meeting, anyone have any feedback on the agenda? Want to add or change anything? |
| leslieg |
What’s the best way to add contribution events that are part of a camp or con? Not full day contribution, but still valuable to let folks know about on /community/events |
| gusaus |
Will reference our conversation about using/extending the existing #opensocial site (set up for Drupalcons) for ongoing contribution events https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1652994823030729 |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Please scan the issue queue in case there is something that you'd like to comment https://www.drupal.org/project/issues/contribution_events?categories=All |
| gusaus |
I'm also particularly interested in contribution events as a way to gain experience in a variety of roles - rather than rambling on here, I'll reference my comment in a related discussion. |
| surabhi.gokte |
@gusaus you can add your comments in this thread https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1653328379201849 |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
We are still open to more co-maintainers of the d.o project: #3280003: Open to co-maintainers for Contribution Events community project |
| gusaus |
Also... if I can be lazy and just copy in part of this comment...I'm particularly interested in seeing if we can leverage the Open Collective project to streamline sponsorship and donations (could be a goal of SustainDrupal if we found a few folks interested in that type of initiative) AND their community (which consists of folks from 3000+ open source projects including Drupal and WordPress). |
| liberatr (he/him) |
Figuring out how to get more modules to a “supported” state and scanned by security team. |
| gusaus |
@liberatr (he/him) seems like stuff like that was an initial goal of the #maintainers group? |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
@gusaus Please use the topic threads for comments :slightly_smiling_face: |
| gusaus |
Thanks! Didn't realize this convo was already happening https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1653329956077439 |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
https://www.meetup.com/Drupal-Brisbane/events/285362581/ |
| surabhi.gokte |
I used to organise monthly Contribution sprints in my current organisation, but since March it is on a pause. I would love to resume from next month. Anyone interested to join? |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
What day/time is it normally? |
| surabhi.gokte |
Either Wednesdays or Fridays at 4 PM IST. But this can be changed according to the participation. |
| florisg |
https://drupaljam.nl (1st of June 2022 in Utrecht Netherlands) |
| florisg |
https://drupalmountaincamp.ch/ 23-26 June 2022 Davos Switzerland |
| Gábor Hojtsy (he/him) |
@florisg what’s the contribution plan at DrupalJam? Any dedicated space? |
| Webbeh |
Can we amplify @damienmckenna’s contrib_half_hour? https://www.drupal.org/project/contrib_half_hour from the issue queues, I believe this little initiative could use some more eyes on it weekly to help take some burden off of damien from all the work |
| florisg |
There is no dedicated contribution room (as there was last year), there is a BoF room that can be used |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
As a bandaid, I'm going to collect 2022 contribution events here for now... ideally, everyone will add these to the community events list but, right now, camps/conferences can't tag themselves as a contribution event (I have opened a EOWG issue for this) #3281974: 2022 Drupal contribution events |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
@surabhi.gokte That time doesn't work for me but perhaps does for others https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1653328080665969?thread_t... |
| AmyJune (volkswagenchick) |
Drupal Camp Asheville has some space for contrib, but no dedicated mentoring or training |
| kimb0 |
DrupalSouth (Australia/NZ) will have a contribution day as part of the event. No specific dates as yet. |
| hestenet (he/him) |
Strongly encourage everyone to use the community/events listings: http://drupal.org/community/events |
| hestenet (he/him) |
We will update with a more international date format soon. |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
@hestenet (he/him) Since you are here and mentioned the community events list, thoughts on this issue I created? #3280984: Add contribution as a secondary category for all events |
| hestenet (he/him) |
Need to look at it more closely, but I think it makes sense... making that a multiselect field might cause some weirdness we need to look at. |
| gusaus |
I'd suggest that creating documentation could be part of a related contribution event(s) and see if new contributors could become involved |
| Tinto |
I’m hoping to use the slides of my presentation at the Drupal Malaysia Contribution Meetup and turn them into a boilerplate for organisers of similar events. Haven’t gotten around to it yet though (they’re still a bit too specific for last week’s event). |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
@gusaus Interesting idea! Pretty meta but cool :slightly_smiling_face: |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
I created this issue: #3281967: Idea: Create contribution event for documenting contribution event resources |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
@Tinto After you create that (which is great!), please add to: #3280565: Contribution event resources: Remote event resources |
| Tinto |
@Kristen Pol (she/her) Will do! Although this issue would be more appropriate, I guess? (I presented at an in-person event last week)#3280508: Contribution event resources: In-person event resources (edited) |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Oh! Yes... forgot that was in-person :slightly_smiling_face: |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Once we have all the resources, we can figure out how best to organize them |
| Chris Darke |
We have a mix of different slides from previous years of First Time Contribution workshops that I would love to get turned into a boilerplate.. just needs a bit of consensus.. from mentoring leads which we can discuss as well. We have active documention work regarding the contribution event in regards to mentoring, will need to make sure it's cross referenced, but I can't remember where it is right now. We also have spreadsheets for skills, and videos on YouTube that can be leveraged |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
@Chris Darke Would you be able to link off to the various resources here or in the child issues? #3280005: META: Gather documentation and resources for contribution event organization |
| Chris Darke |
Will do! |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Thanks!!! |
| surabhi.gokte |
We can have this initiative meeting added in the Drupal calendar so more people are aware about the occurances |
| surabhi.gokte |
30 minutes seemed short for this meeting, some threads remained unopened. From the next one we can keep this running for an hour or so. |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Yes! |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
#3281968: Add Contribution Events Initiative meetings to the core calendar |
| Gábor Hojtsy (he/him) |
Does @surabhi.gokte have access to the core calendar? |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
I don't know if either of us do |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
If we are expanding to 1 hour, then we might want to start 30 minutes earlier to not overlap with #d10readiness meeting |
| surabhi.gokte |
@Gábor Hojtsy (he/him), @Kristen Pol (she/her) Tim just shared with me :slightly_smiling_face: (edited) |
| surabhi.gokte |
@Kristen Pol (she/her), so let’s keep it:5pm UTC Mondays and 5am UTC Tuesdays?Didn’t change the Tuesday’s time! |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Perfect! |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
I just need to get my sleep schedule in better shape... been going to bed a 3am these days o_O |
| surabhi.gokte |
Event is now added in the calendar. I hope I added correct timings, at one point I got a bit confused :sweat_smile: |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Time zones are hard! |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
@surabhi.gokte can you point me to the calendar... google isn't my friend |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Found it! Wow, that was too hard: https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0/r?cid=drupalcorecalendar@associ... |
| surabhi.gokte |
Cool, looks fine right? |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Not sure when it'll show up here on right side: https://www.drupal.org/about/core |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Maybe a cache issue |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
oh, was looking at old stuff |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
they are there |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
all good :slightly_smiling_face: |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Thanks! |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
@surabhi.gokte Who gave you access to add to the calendar? |
| surabhi.gokte |
That would be @hestenet (he/him). But I later found out that I already had the access. |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
:thumbsup: |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
I credited and marked the issue fixed: https://www.drupal.org/project/issues/contribution_events?status=2 |
| surabhi.gokte |
Great, thank you :slightly_smiling_face: |
| hestenet (he/him) |
I think if we reached out to the open social team they'd probably be interested in supporting |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Who is best to contact there? |
| hestenet (he/him) |
I think start with: https://www.drupal.org/u/ronaldtebrake |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
An aside is Rachel is still noted as the contact person: https://drupalcontributions.opensocial.site/ |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Thanks for the contact, I'll make an issue so we don't forget |
| gusaus |
We probably could connect with folks in #opensocial |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
#3281963: Relaunch drupalcontribution.org |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Thanks for the suggestions... I'll add to the issue |
| gusaus |
I've been talking with folks from their team on/off the years. We were using Open Social for #drupal-dojo before it stalled out again.Seems like there's potential to centralize 'all' contribution events on one site - which would make it easier for a program like Dojo (still the largest Drupal group) to make another go at it. |
| Gábor Hojtsy (he/him) |
I don’t think all contribution would centralise on one site, but this is a good place to offer to host events :slightly_smiling_face: |
| Gábor Hojtsy (he/him) |
The existing opensocial site offers events, groups and topics. Events can have a free video conference (big blue button), which works pretty well based on our prior experience. So no zoom subscription required. BBB also offers breakout rooms if needed, which makes it easier to jump around “tables” and be together with a “welcome lobby”. |
| Gábor Hojtsy (he/him) |
The UX could be better but the functionality is there and it can be used with a little bit of docs. |
| gusaus |
I'm sure several camps and meetup groups have a site for their own contribution events.Think it could be valuable to provide organizers with an 'option' of using a centralized site to run their own contribution events.Could also open up some possibilities for experimenting with marketing, sponsorship, crediting contributions, and integrating/connecting with drupal.org and Gitlab. |
| gusaus |
That said, I think it's important for folks from the Events initiative to be aware/involved as there seems to be some overlap and opportunities to collaborate. |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Agreed that it has be a great tool for running contribution events and is a great option for many events, particularly remote and hybrid events |
| gusaus |
Couple notes - 1) I shared this thread and related issue in #opensocial; 2) looks like there are already folks like @leslieg who can help bridge some of these complimentary groups together :raised_hands: #3280003: Open to co-maintainers for Contribution Events community project#comment-14534497 |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Thanks! |
| Chris Darke |
Regarding UX we did have an issue for all the bugs/problems we found in the last few virtual drupalcons.. not sure if it was ever followed up on |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Yeah, we had a nice issue for that that we shouldn't lose :slightly_smiling_face: |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
I found it!!! #3208557: [meta] Issues discovered with the contributions platform during DrupalCon NorthAmerica 2021 |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
I'll add to the CE issue |
| Chris Darke |
Nice! |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
I remember putting a lot of effort into that review... maybe it will still be helpful |
| ronaldtebrake |
Thanks for the heads-up @gusaus and all the communication in here so far everybody.Happy to see how we at Open Social can support this initiative :slightly_smiling_face: |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
@ronaldtebrake Hi! Thanks for the support :slightly_smiling_face: |
| gusaus |
Think this thread and related issue could be a good jumping off point for those interested in getting involved (or just catching up). |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
I assume this is for D8=>D9? |
| Webbeh |
We've got an issue template for the #maintainers project, but that relies on someone creating an issue for a stable release version, and then the maintainers actually releasing a stable tag. @liberatr (he/him) |
| Webbeh |
I've been volunteering myself to contribute to creating issue plans in projects that don't have a stable release, if you have a candidate in mind. :slightly_smiling_face: @liberatr (he/him) |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Oh! Stable releases |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
@Gábor Hojtsy (he/him) Would it make sense at all to have something like the Project Update Bot create issues for all projects without stable releases to automatically create issues for them under some (yet to be determined) criteria or is that just too noisy? |
| liberatr (he/him) |
https://www.drupal.org/project/eck has 16,000 sites — only a beta release, last real release was June-2020, last dev release was September-2021 |
| liberatr (he/him) |
@Gábor Hojtsy (he/him) especially modules that have done a Drupal 9 version but just don’t have a stable release — would be a great place to start |
| liberatr (he/him) |
I would personally be willing to donate some $$ to see those maintainers put out stable releases — like a couple of $25 gift cards |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Yeah, interesting idea. Maybe if something has been beta for x amount of time and no code has changed it could have an automated issue? |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Of course, that doesn't mean it is stable :) |
| Webbeh |
reminds me of https://www.sullice.com/posts/2021/07/08/please-publish-a-stable-release/ and what "stable" actually means |
| liberatr (he/him) |
yeah, something that was updated recently - in the last 3 to 6 months, not that big of a deal, but would still like a stable release |
| liberatr (he/him) |
In many cases, the maintainer is using that software in production.from @Webbeh’s linkStable software is not immutable software. Version numbering makes this obvious.(edited) |
| Webbeh |
TR has argued the semantics of "stable" (#3213740: Release stable Drupal 9 version) and sullice's blog post implies just doing the damn thing and releasing a stable release so it can be covered |
| Gábor Hojtsy (he/him) |
@Kristen Pol (she/her) @liberatr (he/him) the project update bot is currently “it would be great if you could port your module, here is a helpful patch”…. your idea would be “it would be great if you could be supported [+ nothing helpful]” AFAIS, so not sure if that would not be considered noise or nagging |
| Gábor Hojtsy (he/him) |
One thing the project browser team is planning to only list supported projects, so that should inceltivize it for sure. (edited) |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Oh! That's great |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
https://twitter.com/kristen_pol/status/1528808587752968192?s=20&t=x9ZnVf... |
| Webbeh |
probably could be considered noise, but we've been using the template #3239062: 'Stable Release Request' Issue Template to poke projects about it |
| liberatr (he/him) |
What if it was “it would be great if you could be supported, I will give you $25 if you can release and close this issue, and if there are more than x projects that take me up on the offer, I’ll draw names from a hat” |
| liberatr (he/him) |
“if you don’t want the $$ I’ll donate it to one of these charities” |
| Gábor Hojtsy (he/him) |
right, that’s different, also that would not be a bot :stuck_out_tongue: |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
$25 to create a stable release would probably motivate a fair amount of people IMO :slightly_smiling_face: |
| liberatr (he/him) |
I have an OpenCollective account for the “Funding” module, been waiting for an excuse to fire it up. Or if there is something better that’s related to this group, I’ll put the funds somewhere with an open ledger. We can see where the funds got distributed. |
| Webbeh |
One thing the project browser team is planning to only list supported projects, so that should inceltivize it for sure.@Gábor Hojtsy (he/him), is it mentioned anywhere i can link to? would love to add this to the stable release issue template :slightly_smiling_face: |
| liberatr (he/him) |
Ok so I would say create an issue on a Drupal project — called something like “Stable release bounties for the week of May 23 - May 30” and then track all the releases from that week (somehow) — they are entered into the pool of Uncle Ryan’s Piggy Bank. Then we close the issue, but use some sort of a tag, so whenever the pot has some money in it, we can link to the latest open issue and stick that link in the issue template. |
| liberatr (he/him) |
Assuming there would be some way to track projects and see which ones moved from non-stable to stable — is the data from the Drupal 10 readiness tracker good enough for that? |
| liberatr (he/him) |
hopefully someone else donates to the Piggy Bank and multiple rounds can be achieved |
| gusaus |
Dumb question. Is this type of work part of a particular initiative? |
| gusaus |
Well... I mean D9 readiness is probably related to one of the DA goals. |
| Webbeh |
I haven't seen any initiative related to this, but I could be overlooking it. :question_block_mario: |
| gusaus |
Regardless... I think it would make sense to create an Open collective for this - ideally the DA could be the host org.Apologies for the Open Collective speak. I've been more involved with that community for the past several years. |
| gusaus |
@hestenet (he/him) and @liberatr (he/him) have been pretty involved/aware on that side, so this will kinda make sense...Even without creating a separate collective, the Drupal Association is already set up to facilitate something like by creating project(s) for these types of campaigns.https://opencollective.com/drupalassochttps://opencollective.com/drupala... |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
The funding discussion can be captured here: #3280986: META: Explore connecting Drupal Contribution to Open Collective funding |
| Gábor Hojtsy (he/him) |
@Webbeh it would be best to request an “official statement” from the project browser team: #project-browser (edited) |
| gusaus |
I think this Twitter discussion has some parallels to much of what we're talking about here https://twitter.com/nmdmatt/status/1488514842654908431 |
| Webbeh |
@mglaman tuned me into the stable release discussion too :blob_highfive: |
| gusaus |
So actually... IF this initiative had a collective (which we're discussing here) - we could also create projects/campaigns on that collective. (edited) |
| Kristen Pol (she/her) |
#3281983: Idea: Create contribution events for creating stable releases of modules and themes |
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kristen polMinor wording tweaks.
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kristen pol@surabhi-gokte will typically be running the Monday 5:30pm UTC meetings.
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kristen polSmall wording tweak.
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kristen polHere's the link for parsing the meeting: https://github.com/mdlutz24/drupal-meeting-parser
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kristen polTrying to get the meeting notes in here... not easy :/
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kristen polFix table formatting.
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kristen polReally fixing table formatting.
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