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By GoodbyeDrupal on
After being with Drupal for several years I have had enough. I go to install Drupal 8 and get all of these ridiculous error messages, all 1 at a time. Some B.S. about memory, then pdo, then a bunch of other junk. Every time I fixed a new error another one showed up. When I finally get it all fixed I get some really weird message that makes no sense at all. When I paste this message in Google it has been appearing for years and with previous versions all the way back to 5. It apparently is just some random install bug that happens sometimes, and the only way to fix it is uninstall, and then reinstall Drupal. I'm sorry but this is not what people expect from a CMS. And I install Drupal in cPanel by extracting the zip file, so cant blame FTP for this.
So I delete all Drupal 8 files in FTP which takes 30 mins to delete BTW, even on a dedicated server. While I am waiting for all of these ridiculous files to delete I look at the available Drupal 8 themes and see hardly any are made for a final release yet, and some of the ones that are made final for 8 have tons of bug reports.
So I said screw this and tried Wordpress for the 1st time ever and I cannot believe how much better it is.
Why doesn't Drupal automatically show uploaded images in the search engine as part of a teaser like Wordpress does? Why do I need to code that myself, and then when I change themes, or they force you to upgrade with these end of life threats, I have to do all the same coding again, but in a different way to make it work.
Remember that B.S. with old versions of Drupal prior to 7 when you would install it, you would get some error saying you had to change the name of some settings.php file before you continue? What kind of CMS makes you do that?
Look at all of these lagging Drupal issues and bugs that have been going on for years and never get fixed. They just brought up 1 from 4 years ago on the forum today that apparently still has not been fixed.
And lets not even start on the modules.
I heard all of the stories for years about how Wordpress is too simple, etc, etc, but I have already done a little php changes in Wordpress and they were because I wanted to enhance a Plugin a little. These were not forced php changes like I always have to do every time I install Drupal.
From what I see, Wordpress has better themes, especially Responsive. Many of them are ready to go right after install. I remember installing several so-called Responsive Drupal 7 themes only to find the logo, or something else major that was not responsive, and would stick out. I had to alter the code on so many Drupal 6 and 7 themes these past few years many times to fix the ridiculous theme errors, only to have to go through all this again on Drupal 8? No way, you can count me out. I don't have time for this repetitive B.S.
I still have the notepad lists of all the changes I had to make every time I installed a Drupal site and theme. You should see how long this list is, and how silly some of the stuff on it is.
1. Click some button to display Search Engine, but not on blocks, a hidden button somewhere else.
2. Convert Database type to MyISAM, all 1 at a time, and you know how long that takes with Drupal
3. Every time you install a modules, make sure you assign admin right to it or you wont be able to configure it
4. Make sure to click the boxes so all visitors can see anything from views module, and all users can see the search engine
5. Put some code on php.ini in reference to the date because it messes up around daylight savings time and it will show the wrong time
6. Hide this with CSS, Hide that with CSS, some of this stuff is what most people always hide every time anyway, and the list goes on and on.
So long Drupal. It is gonna be 2016 soon, it's not 2008 anymore. Wordpress is a more superior CMS now from what I can see.
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I suspect you're not the last
I suspect you're not the last.
It does sound like Wordpress is a better option for you.
Its not that I am being lazy,
Its not that I am being lazy, but Wordpress is already providing things that a CMS should. Stuff that should already be in Drupal like the main page thumbnail image showing up in the search engine.
I also read your post and I agree that this forum is outdated, it looks exactly like it did when I was coming here in 2010. And Drupal seems to still make many of the same mistakes that it did back in 2010.
Drupal can be very difficult to update and upgrade, you make 1 mistake on the updates and your site is gone. I am smart enough with coding to know how to avoid those mistakes, but I have seen many, many people have had issues with this.
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Posted from an account created shortly before the post. Nice! I hope that when you return you take a similar method of notification.
Trust me I wont be back. If I
Trust me I wont be back. If I am making a website for a small business customer and they want a CMS, I am going to push for Wordpress. That way if I turn the site over to them which some clients want, I am confident that they will be able to understand how to update Wordpress and how to create new content, etc.
I notice that many job postings on Dice reference Wordpress much, much more than Drupal now.
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The continued commenting on the thread seems to me to be indicative of someone never actually leaving.
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Well, before you can change to a different software application, you must make sure that the community of the software you are no longer going to use has heard all your reasons why and fully understands that the software that works just fine for them is inferior to your new choice. Didn't you know that? ;)
Yeah, whatever.
Yeah, whatever.
I opened my web browser today and thought I was back in time, and that the year was 2006. Then I realized I was just viewing the Drupal forum home page.
The Drupal software does work fine for me, after I make all of the tedious, repetitive, but necessary coding changes every time I install a new theme or a new version of Drupal. I'm just saying that I have had enough of that.
I do agree on some points...
Well, this guy does have a point, I also often see unresolved issues for years.
Yes, Drupal is highly complex and prone to things going wrong...all the time as he said...
My solution for that is to only use very widely used modules and established frameworks, themes ect...Get some well supported modules and try to get these working, not waste time on small projects without support and a few users.
But still, Drupal as A LOT more power and possibilities/potential than Wordrpess.
But Wordpress is sometimes ok for Mom and Pop sites, but limited...
One CMS to stay away from is Joomla....it was based on a commercial platform, and all the good components you have to pay for, barely open source if you ask me!
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Sure, Drupal is far from perfect. There's work being done all the time to make it better but there's always room for improvement. And Wordpress has come a long way from just being a simple blog or only good for little sites. But posts like these do nothing to improve Drupal. It's just attention seeking letting everyone know you're going off to the Big Better Thing that you just found. If Wordpress is better suited to someone's needs, great, go use it. People change the things they're using all the time. No big deal. Unless you try to make it a big deal by a post like this. And then people either 1) get defensive or 2) roll their eyes and make sarcastic comments at the attention seeker or 3) be mature and ignore it. I've done plenty of #1 in the past. Moved on to #2. Maybe someday I'll get to #3 :)
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#2 is produces a side of fun during later readings.
Constructive criticism is always welcome. There are long standing issues in the issue queue of any project whether Drupal or other. Generating a new account on drupal.org solely to post the opening post is ludicrous. Posting a goodbye and not leaving is hypocrisy. No one is going to try and force someone to use something they no longer want to use. Fact is people come and people go all the time in every community. No one should pigeon hole themselves. Use the best tool for the job at hand. You don't have to be a 'Drupal Only' subscriber.
I can fully understand the frustration
I'v been there many times and thought I was giving up, only to come back and try "one last time." Much of my experience with developing a Drupal site is that if you have an issue you can't figure out (and if you have time), walk away for a day or two and come back to it and it might be easier to solve whatever problem you're having. Drupal logic can drive you crazy - sometimes there are so many settings in so many different places that your logic gets tied into a knot trying to follow it.
You have some valid points
Drupal can be a pain in the keyboard from time to time, and wordpress is a decent system for certain types of sites that don't require a high level of control. I have gone both ways, both have their strong points and both have shortcomings.. It's an age old discussion that will never stop.
To be honest, the worst thing I can find with Drupal right now is the crummy new front page, it's really bad compared to old one.
Still hanging on here
So many hurdles, esp. with the complications of composer & a new version of Drush, both of which were really frustrating and time consuming to set up on my local machines. Then, SSL issues prevented module downloads in Drupal, and even though I make notes, I couldn't keep up with all the errors I had to track down. One of the biggest frustrations was having to manually copy and paste content several times (I was ok with doing it once, to avoid dealing with migration modules from D7) from my Drupal 7 site, which I later discovered had been set up with the Latin Character set (was the default at the time). All the content showed up with many characters as ? marks. Spent many days sorting that out and fixing it, by hand. ...
Anyway, here comes the first deployment, and as far as frustrations, that was no slouch either.
Finally got it to work and am happy that four+ months of work have not yet been a total waste.
In the middle of all the aggravation fighting with this process tonight, I stopped and toyed with a test Wordpress site that I set up about a year and a half ago. It updates itself and the module updates are swift and easy to do. It also looks good, and I think that even if I do get the Drupal site to the finish line, I will definitely start working with Wordpress as well.
Even though Drupal can be tedious to set up, I love it for all the configurability, but it does seem to be getting out of reach of technical, but non-coder /non-developer people like myself who just want to create something a little bit beyond what can be done with WP. My main focus is photography and displaying content from several other contributors, and not to have the website become my full-time occupation. I sure hope this works and I can get back to my other stuff.
I am certainly thankful to all who post helpful articles on problems they had setting up sites and ways they found of fixing them. Hopefully, I'll be able to offer a few of my own from my notes. One thing that would be great though, is if people could please put dates on those articles, because sometimes the information is out of date and there is no way of knowing that.
To anyone struggling with getting things to work, you're not alone. Don't give up too soon, because the end result is worth the effort.
Yes, WordPress has come on by
Yes, WordPress has come on by leaps and bounds, as has Drupal. Things move so fast... Squarespace and Wix can now handle fairly decent sites, Wordpress can do a lot of the Views and multi-lingual and multi-user and custom content type & template stuff which Drupal has long offered, and Drupal is well suited now to very large sites. In that context it does make sense to review the tools we choose. Drupal of course is still the most likeable. Not always the most practical!
The two downsides with WP are that a lot of the best software which adds power to a WorePress is, though technically open source, paid software; and that WP sites are hacked with tiresome frequency, so even with automated updates you do need to give careful attention to security.
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Thanks - I had heard that about wp security
Was just one of the reasons I wanted to stay with Drupal, besides already having spent so many years with v. 7+. I also do not like that so many of the WP modules are hobbled unless you pay for them - and in many cases, it's a yearly fee, which is a deal breaker for me, since I do this to share my photography and promote the content of talented friends without making any money on it. I'm glad I persisted with Drupal 8, despite the difficulties.