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By phaeton005 on
Hello everyone,
Our start-up is looking for an experienced Drupal programmer to give us a boost on our current project! The project entails:
- creating a theme based on our artist's designs
- improving a few minor issues on our custom modules.
The task is believed to take about 30 hours for an experienced programmer, and about 10 hours for the debugging. We request that you are based in the UK. Within two hours of Coventry would be ideal!
Timing-wise, we would like to get you started on it by mid June and be done within a month.
Contact us with a CV and portfolio, and we can give more details.
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As usual, for a locality-specific job, you may wish to post to jobs.drupal.org .
I am always a bit taken aback why people post a preference for local-specific in a case like this. Why?!?
Ignoring that you no doubt have not produced designs for Drupal :), thus your time estimate must be very unaligned with what can be delivered-- restricting yourself to someone in the UK, much less within 2 hours of Coventry, is likely to significantly lower the available talent pool and what they might deliver.
Best, Ken
I am always a bit taken aback
I've posted here when looking for developers for our company here in Yokohama Japan, so I can answer why I post here.
1) It's free!
2) It's the home of Drupal. Many people will come through here
3) I'm willing to (and in fact almost always will need to) relocate people to work here, and therefore the fact that the job itself is local, I want to search world-wide
4) I also post in other locations
5) People who read the listing here, are people who visit the forums. People who visit the forums have a good chance of having a better knowledge of Drupal, as there are so many different questions on Drupal here.
Hi Jaypan,
Hi Jaypan,
My comment was notsomuch about posting here, but about adding what seems an unnecessary local restriction to what appears to be a small amount of specialized work.
As I understand it, you're advertising for positions not services when you post -- for at least 2-3 months of full time work, say, 200+ hours.
The above post looks to be anywhere from 10-60 hours of theming work, plus some "features". If the poster means they want someone who can drop by, a single Round Trip to Coventry could easily be 1/10 to 1/4 of the compensated time.
Moreover, there seems to be a lack of perception of how rare and specialized the required skills are, and that some needs assessment might be required. If I were to mention this post on #drupal-consultants IRC, I'd probably find (again) that everyone is booked for the next three months. If the OP restricts their search to local consultants, they may find someone who is willing to take the job, but doesn't know the right process questions to ask to get the best result.
That is, if OP's idea is that you can just get an artist to mock something up, and have a themer/builder implement it, without concerns for how Drupal works-- I'd typically want to talk about the fact that there are designs and processes that fit Drupal well, and others that don't. Going down the wrong track with an inexperienced developer, can cost you a lot there, or result in an inferior product/result.
And of course, we could do a lot better job of client education here, by developing some FAQ/materials (<-- broken record, I know, but I never have the time...)
Ken, I know what you mean.
Ken, I know what you mean. This seems to be UK "culture" (short-sighted decision makers with antiquated ideas?). Attitudes in the US and elsewhere seem to be more modern in this respect.
Clients get the quality they
Clients get the quality they deserve (i.e. in part the quality they are prepared to pay for). I have UK and US clients, and I find more people in the US 'get it' and are more willing to pay: i.e. they get the benefit to their business or operation of paying for quality when buying website services. Somehow the US is ahead of us in old Europe in appreciating the value of investing online, rather than focussing on keeping the contractor down to a budget (which is often set based on surprisingly unskilled advice). I suspect that being ahead of the game when it comes to the digital world benefits the US economy.
The US are also more open than almost any other country I have encountered to buy services abroad if that suits them. Meeting face-to-face is useful where possible. However, I do get US clients rather readily, and one Canadian client, whereas I have had very few clients from Europe outside UK, and no major one, although I split my time between UK and the Continent.
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"However, I do get US clients
"However, I do get US clients rather readily, and one Canadian client, whereas I have had very few clients from Europe outside UK"
Sounds familiar :)
So many potential clients in
So many potential clients in the UK infuriate me when I get to discussing price and then they tell me their cousin Bob can do it for £50 using one of those online wizard website builders. There seems to be a major lack of understanding from clients in the UK that bobs £50 website builder site is not going to actually achieve much.
I have one client who had one of the directors son design them a site and then asked me to add some more complex features to it. The site he "designed" was actually a html template he had downloaded and changed the pictures on and the "pages" were actually anchor links to scroll down the page. Turned out he didn't even add the pictures himself, his dad did that. They were not happy when I told them the site was basically a big waste of time and to add the features they wanted now it was best to scrap it and start again on a CMS like Drupal.
So many [PCs] infuriate me
bigmonmulgrew wrote:
In this regard, I've long thought that we should develop an OS marketing materials kid for Drupal, intended to briefly and quickly educate the Potential Client on such matters, regardless of country -- I'm sure the UK isn't the *only* place where this is an issue :)
Perhaps the Association might be able to sponsor in some way?
QUICK UPDATE: discussing similar issues here with the Hong Kong group today-- expect similar in Singapore next week. The general summary is that people often expect short-term, copycat, out-of-box solutions. I'm still thinking an "open source marketing pack" could go far-- directed at particular areas / languages, such as SE Asia / Chinese could help.
The problem we have is that a
The problem we have is that a client who buys a car or medical services does research and knows something about the product. Many clients who buy websites don't understand why websites vary in price. It is barely an exaggeration to compare many website buyers with someone who thinks they want a car, and does not know the difference between a bicycle, a Ferrari or a Mack truck.
I wrote an ebook about how to buy a website to help clients understand the product, so they could make informed judgements about where to buy, how much to spend, the risks of getting a bargain, and how decisions are made about which technology to use; how to know which web shops are expensive because they offer a high-grade product which may or may not benefit the client, and which are scamming (if you count as scamming, buying cheap offshore work, and selling it on at 200% markup with a bit of custom care). I have still not published the book, though whether or not there is a market for it, there should be a market. The problem is that clients often do not realise there is an issue until things start to go wrong, and at that point they find it difficult to know how to resolve the problems (sometimes they bring in lawyers, who are also not technical experts, according to one Internet lawyer I was chatting to recently).
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As we're rather off-topic
As we're rather off-topic here, is anyone interested in continuing this conversation elsewhere, maybe in groups.d.o? One objective could be production of an independent and unbiased guide for those looking to source Drupal expertise. There is already https://www.drupal.org/node/193010 but it's far short of ideal IMHO.
Yes.
Yes. ("Why do websites vary in price?" is a great question.) Where's a good place for the discussion?
I am hesitant about this
I am hesitant about this proposal. The 'correct' approach, for anything within d.o., would be to edit the existing documentation rather than starting a new one, because where there are competing documentation pages that is sometimes confusing? A g.d.o. is also fine, provided the right people see it.
The fact is that d.o. is not very friendly to new users, an issue I know there is some effort to rectify.
It is also a delicate subject. A documentation page saying that hiring a leading Western Drupal shop brings real benefits over using someone his skill is organizing a large offshoring operation may be edited by one of the large offshoring operations, saying (as they do say) that their cheaper services are just as good as established Western Drupal shops, and that their free in-house project managers can ensure good communication: a refutation from someone who charges far higher rates, rather than from an experienced client, might not look impartial.
For these reasons I may watch with interest and contribute if it seems to be working, whilst hesitating to push the proposal forward. A separate site where it is clear that the people behind it may have an agenda, and do control who contributes, however balanced and fair we feel we are, would make more sense to me. Indeed I did start a one-person site of that kind without being Drupal-specific, partly in the hope of getting more consultancy work, but it is one of those projects which day-to-day work has prevented me from driving forwards.
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@John_B of course, you are
@John_B of course, you are right :) Well, maybe let's just stay here off-topic for a while (nobody has complained so far) ...
@1kenthomas Ok, "Why do websites vary in price?" is good. How about, "How much does good web-site (or web-application) development cost?". But, we're the sellers, we would need input from buyers too.
Is there anything out there already? I've searched and have never found anything worthwhile. At least a starting point? https://www.drupal.org/node/193010 has a lot of good comments.
Being honest, I don't know how to move forwards. I wish a suitable resource already existed. This is probably nothing new.