Problem/Motivation

We need some give-away cards for the Drupalcon Austin Core Mentoring booth.

Proposed resolution

I like the cards from https://www.acquia.com/resources/podcasts/acquia-podcast-131-code-sprint... but I think we can improve on them a bit.

Our most recent estimate was 6 postcards x 600 each for $425 and the drop dead is late 5/21, but we need to decide how many to print of each. I expect we'll need more Community Contributor cards than Developer or Reviewer.

Git repository for Drupal Contributor Roles

Remaining tasks

  • (done) Finish copy for cards.
  • Get them laid out (and pretty).
  • (done) Decide how many of them to print. [for bogota ?], [for amsterdam, 200 of each]
  • Acquire funding [bogota: ? we might have money left over from amsterdam...], [amsterdam: Thanks @davidhernandez]
  • Have them printed. [stickers, plastic. cards]
  • Update https://www.drupal.org/sprint-task-cards page with links for many of the steps

BCN tasks:

  • (done) Check with the DA how many cards are left from previous Cons.
  • (done) Review how many cards do we want to order and the ratio english-spanish.
  • (done) Review the translation.
  • (done) Review the changes since the last batch was printed.
  • Order new cards (amounts needed here)

Results

Comments

ZenDoodles’s picture

kthull’s picture

It's worth noting that since these all print together, unless there is a drastic difference in quantity needed per card (e.g., twice as many of card A as all the others), then they should all be the same quantity.

YesCT’s picture

ok. we worked on the wording
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19scbsvoUIh854H7fjuZXxMXTlRdY3ZE6FGnU...
looks Good Enough (and even good!)

@kthull do you have any time to lay it out? Maybe if we express ship directly to someone in Austin, they can still get there in time?

YesCT’s picture

adding the nyccamp draft pdf (that didn't get printed) for reference.

YesCT’s picture

YesCT’s picture

I think we need to move our expectations for this to Amsterdam.
Let's take a couple weeks to layout what we want and we can use a printer that can print them in time to get to Amsterdam.

YesCT’s picture

Assigned: ZenDoodles » Unassigned
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@kthull is going to lay these out, and arrange printing. YesCT is going to front the money (and possibly find a sponsor to reimburse). We are printing 200 of each for amsterdam. Any changes to the words, layout, organization, printing, we can evaluate after we try what we have at amsterdam.

kthull’s picture

Can I get a deadline for when and where materials are needed in-hand in order to ship/carry to Amsterdam?

YesCT’s picture

Options..
a) could have them delivered to @kthull (around 1 Sept 2014 or earlier), then you get to see them/check them.
I could get them from you at Fox Valley Camp (19 Sept 2014), and I could bring them to Amsterdam (I leave 23 Sept 2014)

or

b) we could ship them directly to someone in Amsterdam (@Xano maybe), in which case I think we would want them to arrive to Xano also around the beginning of Sept, to give time to check them.

kthull’s picture

I vote option (A) for quality control purposes. And we currently have plenty of time to hit that date (1 Sept 2014).

kthull’s picture

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Attached are role stickers for feedback. I started with these for a couple reasons. They take the longest to print and their design will very likely work into the cards. YesCT, I tried to work in mentor green into all of them, but it just wasn't working, so I chose green for the mentor sticker. If someone has the CMYK values used for signage, I will update the file.

As stickers, there will be a hefty white border around the background color to really make them stand out (think the Fox Valley Drupal sticker). Not sure what size we are thinking.

Pricing per 200 stickers:
2"x2" = $77 or $385 for all five sets (these seem too small)
3"x3" = $100 or $500 for all five sets
4"x4" = $128 $640 for all five sets

YesCT’s picture

just looking at these. Not all the contributions are on drupal 8 ...

kthull’s picture

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I was basing that off of the NYC Camp cards that were linked. Attached is a set using the standard Druplicon.

kthull’s picture

YesCT and I discussed the non-Drupal 8 version of stickers and will go with those. As far as colors go, I went with green for mentors, because mentor green. Blue because Drupal. And then the rest pretty random, but sticking as much as possible to the colors used in previous versions but aiming for good contrast.

YesCT’s picture

I was thinking about the stickers about the size of pins.
So 2"x2" seems good to me.
What if people had more than one... bigger ones may not all fit on a badge.

kthull’s picture

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That's interesting. When we originally talked, we were thinking UV coated stickers to last a long time if stuck on a laptop. If these are only getting stuck to badges, we can definitely switch to a more paper-like sticker and probably save costs (I'd need to price a new vendor).

As for size, 2" still works. 1" is a bit tiny, but worth considering. Attached is a 3", 2" and 1" of the blue sticker, with a hefty white border to help it pop.

YesCT’s picture

I think the 2" could dual purpose for either the badge or computer. Let's go with that.

Now we need a price for the cards. (update the summary with the totals when you have it)

kthull’s picture

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A PDF of the 5 cards is attached for review. I'll specifically ping rteijeiro, Xano, realityloop and YesCT on IRC for feedback. I emailed the printer today for a price on print.

Regarding feedback, copy from the cards came from YesCT and Zendoodles. I did the layout based off a mashup of the past few iterations of the cards, all linked in this issue.

It's worth pointing out that the stickers and cards specifically do not mention Amsterdam, because the hope is that these can eventually be purchased in larger lots to realize cost savings.

Please provide feedback no later than Thursday, 31 July so I can make any changes and get these off to the printer.

rteijeiro’s picture

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rteijeiro’s picture

Great work! I love them!!

I found an issue in "Community Contributor" page. The link to drupal.org/core-office-hours points to http://getinvolvedindrupal.org/core-office-hours, that does not exist. If it's going to be printed it's not a problem but the PDF link will not work.

I really like the idea, thanks! :)

realityloop’s picture

Succinct and clear in both wording and design. ++ to those involved!

YesCT’s picture

Status: Active » Needs work

needs work for #20

YesCT’s picture

Status: Needs work » Needs review

oh, nvm. I dont think we are going to use the pdf... just for printing.

We should eventually fill out https://www.drupal.org/sprint-task-cards with html version where each step is clickable to our great online documentation.

YesCT’s picture

Status: Needs review » Needs work

why do they all have the line at the top: Code Sprint?

We try to not say sprints are just for coders.
I think we can just take that line off of each card.

kthull’s picture

I will take that line off. It was on the prior versions.

kthull’s picture

Print cost for 200 each of the 5 cards will be roughly $175 (print always varies somewhat based on overs, shipping, etc.; this should be the upper limit)

Adding in the cost of 2x2 stickers, looking at a grand total of $560.

YesCT’s picture

@kthull can you upload final version for a quick triple check?

I think we are going to pay out of the account the DA set up, and try to get sponsors to be invoiced by the DA to get money into it.

https://twitter.com/YesCT/status/499222157936037889

kthull’s picture

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@YesCT final postcards attached

kthull’s picture

Stickers are getting ordered tonight!

kthull’s picture

Also, huzzah: had a $10 credit for the midcamp save-the-date stickers (just for writing a review on g+) and apparently you get discounts for ordering multiple designs at the same time, so instead of $385, the stickers will be $267.50 :)

YesCT’s picture

look great!

kthull’s picture

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kthull’s picture

Final invoice for the cards was $154, so with the $267.50 for the cards, the final real grand total is $421.50.

kthull’s picture

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kthull’s picture

At DrupalCamp Fox Valley this weekend, YesCT had a great idea to print large versions of the stickers mounted on foam core to have at the booth. I will set up the files and Xano will have them printed.

genjohnson’s picture

The list items on the cards are actionable tasks, so I think it'd be cool if instead of bullets the lists used checkboxes so that people can mark off the tasks as they complete them.

If the cards are changed to have checkboxes, we should be sure to have pens/pencils available.

Adrianm6254’s picture

I would like to see a map showing a "recommended" path for the cards or just to show how they are related so a beginner will have an idea on how the each card is related to the others.

YesCT’s picture

giant colorful things at the booth is a great idea.

let's budget up to $600.
doing something easy, quick, or cheep that we throw away would be ok, to just try it one time.
But if we can find something re-usable, that would be good also (and worth investing a bit into)
keep in mind that if we re-use, they need to be suitcase size

ideas for how to attach, affix, support, hang them are being discussed..

  • strings from a bar that might support a curtain behind the booth
  • velcro attached to curtain, then velcro on the circles
  • sticks
  • ....
ZenDoodles’s picture

Discussing different "mounting" strategies for the signage kthull mentioned in #35. Current ideas are:

  • Sticks of different heights on some sort of base for each.
  • Sticks radiating from Mentor, which would then be on a base.
  • Hang them from the curtain in some way. (suggestions being string/thread, or velcro)
genjohnson’s picture

I've changed some of the text for the Explorer card to clarify the steps to export/import configuration. I kept the text as short as I could, but this change may affect the layout of the card.

stpaultim’s picture

I noticed some discussion in IRC on how we were using the contributor cards and stickers in Amsterdam. Thought I would quickly share my own notes.

1) I believe that we distributed and displayed the cards and stickers at the core mentoring booth for most of the con.
2) At the mentored sprint - things were hectic and space was crowded. We did not have a good place to display the stickers and cards (if that was the goal). However, about 2:00 in the afternoon - Cathy asked some volunteers, myself included, to walk around to tables and share the cards/stickers with sprinters. In my opinion, this went better than I would have expected. For adult developers, participants were more enthused than I expected to received stickers that recognized their contributions. :-) I think that this method of distributing the stickers offered the following benefits
a) another opportunity to "check in" with participants, without asking them if they needed help for the 20th time.
b) another opportunity to get direct feedback from participants on how things were going
c) gave the participants an opportunity to think about what they had accomplished so far that day, and what other tasks they might think about in the future. Served as a reminder to participants of all the different ways that one can contribute.
d) as volunteers spoke with participants about the stickers, it was a brief break for participants at that point in the afternoon when they might be getting tired or bored.

stpaultim’s picture

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See comments from a participant who specifically mentions the cards. http://www.adamevertsson.se/en/articles/sprinting-first-time

See: "Ending on a high note"

kthull’s picture

Thanks Tim!

YesCT’s picture

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mentors and participants loved going around the room near the end of the day, reviewing cards, and what people had done and handing out stickers

for next time:
be sure to pass out the cards to individuals at the sprint (that worked, having them on a table available did not work)

look into die cutting the stickers in the drop shape.

have a line at the bottom of each card which suggests the next card(s)

In the line at the top of the cards, where it references a previous card, make those key words the color of the previous card.

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resetting the remaining tasks for the next con.

YesCT’s picture

there was also a suggestion for a map (to the upper left) (colored dots, with a letter to remind what each is)

YesCT’s picture

on all cards:

  • not use contractions (like You've to You have)
  • link for drupa.org/sprint-task-cards becomes a non-card-color (or not colored)
  • [For More Info] [Links to instructions for each task] (I'm not sure about the wording here, but wanted something which said *what* more info)
on explorer card:
Next: <blue>Community Contributor</blue>

on community contributor card:
You have <red>explored</red> ....
Next: <purple>Issue Mover</purple>

on issue mover card:
You are a <blue>Community Contributor</blue> and ...
Next: <green>Mentor</green> or <orange>Developer</orange>

on developer card:
You are a <purple>Issue Mover</purple>, ...
Next: <green>Mentor</green>

also on developer card:
[(Dev Deckstop counts).] [(eg., Dev Desktop).] 
[(including tests)] [(partially done tests counts)].

on mentor card:
You are a <blue>Community Contributor</blue>, ...

also on mentor card:
Review Novice and Meta issues so [you've got things to assign to new contributors] [you have tasks to match new contributors with] 

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map,

Red circle with a white E (arrow) Blue circle with a white C (arrow) Purple circle with a white I (two arrows)
Green circle with a white M
Orange circle with a white D (arrow to green mentor circle)

I think this works as a horizontal map. (vertical might imply too much hierarchy)

I will note that I agree that prescribing a path is not what we are after. but people really dont know where to start or where to go next and for those that want a path, this gives that to them.

YesCT’s picture

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kthull’s picture

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Attached is an updated version with the following changes:

  • #36 @genjohnson's suggestion for checkboxes
  • #40 @genjohnson's text change from
  • #46 @YesCT's contraction removal

Still to do are the rest of the suggested path and map revisions mentioned in #46.

YesCT’s picture

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this is a sketch of the map, so people who dont know where to start or where to go next, can have some idea.

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still have to do rest from #46:
making the for more info not the issue color,

and adding the guidance for what to do next, examples began:

on explorer card:
Next: <blue>Community Contributor</blue>

on community contributor card:
You have <red>explored</red> ....
Next: <purple>Issue Mover</purple>
kthull’s picture

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Ok, new version attached with all changes listed above.

@YesCT, please check the wording on Developer and Mentor because some of the changes in#46 were a bit unclear to me.

quietone’s picture

Wow! I haven't seen these cards in a while and it's heartening to see them evolve.

stpaultim comments in #41 are worth a read for anyone assisting/organizing a sprint.

YesCT’s picture

the colors and maps are nice.

on developer card:
replace [(Dev Deckstop counts).] with [(eg., Dev Desktop).]
replace [(including tests)] with [(partially done tests counts)].

on mentor card:
replace [you've got things to assign to new contributors] with [you have tasks to match new contributors with]

alimac’s picture

I reconciled all the changes in the Google Doc and replaced the "Find a Needs STR issue..." task with:

  • Find a Needs issue summary update issue and if it's missing steps to reproduce, write them. Bonus points if you include relevant screenshots.

Needs STR is no longer listed in the special issue tags doc.

penyaskito is working on a Spanish translation for the cards.

Going forward, it would be good to move the work on the text to a git repo to easily track changes, etc.

penyaskito’s picture

<=== Spanish translation includes everything talked including #53

alimac’s picture

@penyaskito: Awesome, thank you very much.

I created a GitHub repository to help track word changes, and translations. I'll wait for your final review in the Google Doc before adding an "es" folder. Or, if you want to push to the repo, let me know.

ckrina’s picture

+1 to the Spanish translation added by @penyasquito

penyaskito’s picture

Thanks for reviewing, ckrina. Now I would like to get some review from LatinAmerica, I'll try to get someone tonight.

kthull’s picture

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Latest PDF attached. Incorporated @alimac's change from #53 as well as swapped Community Contributor with Issue Mover at the top of the Mentor card per the map.

penyaskito’s picture

So we got a review of the Spanish translation from @jedihe, from Colombia. He did a PR with some changes and I accepted it.

This means:
* We assured that the text is inclusive (thanks @ckrina!).
* We assured that the text is as "Spanish neutral" as possible. For the conflicts we found, we went for the Latin America version (thanks @jedihe!).

I got several others reviews with no complaints.

I guess this is good to go now.

kthull’s picture

Excellent. I'll have a Spanish version of the PDF up for approval by tonight.

kthull’s picture

English and Spanish PDFs for final proof before printing for Bogota. @YesCT, I still need quantities.

jedihe’s picture

Reviewed ES version. My concerns at this point are just on the stylistic side, so proposing changes wouldn't add actual value, IMHO. It looks final for me.

kthull’s picture

Great. Sending files to the printer tonight!

ckrina’s picture

Not sure if you've already talked about that, but in the Spanish version titles are in English.

gvso’s picture

Hi @ckrina! I don't know if they've already talked about that, but as a Spanish-native speaker I think is not necessary to change the titles, to me they will be sound weird and confuse if we translate them.

kthull’s picture

@ckrina @gvso: The titles were actually discussed in IRC. Because of the stickers and the mini map, they were left untranslated.

ckrina’s picture

Ah, great then. Thanks @kthull @gvso!

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Attaching a zip of the Adobe Illustrator eps files (don't hate, it's the tool I have available to me) for the stickers here as well. Note that these are set up for Stickermule, which may not be available in all countries. If that's the case, just delete the Template layer in the file or copy the Artwork layer into a new file. Also, I am happy to help convert this to other formats on an as-needed basis. Happy printing!

dman’s picture

Super!
I just heard (late) about the Spanish version - neat!
Great comments above by stpaultim in #41 - which reflect my ideas I wrote up when we did this the first time, as shown in JAMs podcast

To revisit stpaultim's observations:

  • Give these props to people personally as they arrive or by hand - don't just make them available in a pile on a table. Make them theirs.
  • Play with the physicality by having a real tangible thing to hold, a reason to share space (ie, talk to them and point at the bullet points on the cards, not IRC message them), and a real tangible reward (stamp, badge, sticker) at the end.
  • Kudos are the reward - we are not playing a game to win a prize. But we are driven by a sense of accomplishment - and having that acknowledged makes things tick.

As stpaultim observes, It is partly the prop in your or their hand that gives you an opening to interact, and that leads on to better opportunities and experiences. I brought this idea over from the days when I used to do "flair" and bar magic ;-B

Opinion: (but I'm not suggesting any change)
Personally, I presented the roles as more egalitarian. When our designer put together the original sprint cards he also built us a graphic with arrows leading from one hierarchical stage to another and I had them re-do that into a 'hub/spoke' diagram for the relationship between roles. I didn't want to perpetuate the idea that "Community Contributor" was subordinate to "Tester" or "Builder".
I do understand the tendency for folk to naturally model it that way though - so I'm not surprised to see this implied hierarchy re-appear. ;-)
I've got developers and testers who hopeless community contributors or issue movers :-B They need to be pushed in the opposite direction to these arrows without feeling it's a demotion!

Anyway, Yay team - it's fun to see this idea keep moving around the globe!

YesCT’s picture

Title: Contributor role cards for booth » Contributor role cards and stickers for booth

putting stickers in the title so people can find this as the source.

YesCT’s picture

@dman thanks!

I agree that the arrows between can hint at hierarchy. We initially did not have the map either. But were repeated asked by people, where do I start? So I rationalized that people who had no idea where to start would benefit, and people who were already doing some of the things would have enough ... context and confidence to pick up the roles they might not have yet, no matter the order. I was hoping that having it horizontal would mitigate some of the hierarchy overtones.

Can you upload the hub version you used?

dman’s picture

I've not got anything to re-use, there is a glimpse of it at 1:09 on Jams podcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xopZUpueY0&t=70
It was just a re-working to get rid of the hierarchy idea, and I don't mean anyone to infer to much from what is connected to where. It was a visual aid to point at more than a map.

Doing a path, or 'where do I go from here' is also useful for some folk, mix and matching different ways of storytelling around this is fun too.

kthull’s picture

Hey, the hub idea is pretty cool. Not sure what we would have in the middle though, since we are not being version specific. Also need to see if it would fit.

thedavidmeister’s picture

Hi, I just mentored at the Drupal South core contribution sprint yesterday and had some feedback on the task cards:

1. Task cards are awesome! I saw lots of people ticking boxes who probably would have otherwise become overwhelmed then distracted.

2. There are no task cards for people writing or editing/reviewing documentation reviews (which can often be done by a non-developer).

3. There are no task cards for designers/UX people providing usability reviews, wireframe sketches, or assets for usability/front end issues.

4. We had a version of the task cards with arrows on them and in some cases it was (as @dman mentioned) difficult to discuss the "early" cards like "mere reviews". I think I even offended someone at one point who exclaimed "But... I'm an Acquia certified developer! I don't need to work through the early cards!". Anything that presents one form of contribution as "better" than another is going to encourage all sorts of psychological barriers to effective collaboration at the sprints.

At the same time, wanting to help people who just don't know where to start is a good thing too. Might I propose that, rather than a diagram with arrows, we add a "Skills used" section to each card like "PHP/JS development", "Written English", "Being friendly", "Attention to details", etc...

dman’s picture

We sketched out ideas for designers etc in the first iteration of task lists (we started with 6 streams)
But got REALLY stuck with things there and I ended up dropping the whole stream because we didn't have enough ideas to fill it.

Here's where we got to:

Drupal8 Designer Badge

To get the “I’m a Drupal8 Designer” badge

(Ideas needed)

  • Test a Drupal8 site in at least 3 different browser/devices.
  • Run Drupal8 with images, css and javascript turned off.
Bonus tasks
  • Start editing a Drupal8 theme.
  • Port a D7 theme to D8 (at least to ‘it works’ stage).
    Run a performance test on Drupal8 pageloads.

So that was pretty insubstantial and not helpful enough.
But it would be really good if we could identify a few more ideas in that realm, for sure!

dman’s picture

Although we did start listing pre-requisite skills on some of the cards in in some drafts
EG Prerequisites: need to be comfortable with basic Git and PHP, and able to learn ‘patch’ procedure.
.. I think it could be possible to maybe highlight the "skills used" as described by @thedavidmeister maybe a little more.

That approach is there to allow the participants to pick the all-important "where do I start" route on their own. There are many paths to the top of the mountain.

If the "skills required" were presented in an "I can do that" sort of way, (and not in a "has completed a previous/beginner task card" way) then maybe we can keep the egalitarian balance happening. All the spokes of the wheel are important.

Issue reviewing is a skill that is well respected when coming from community seniors. All the core contributors right down the line re-roll patches or provide issue updates all the time. The skills on the community contributor and issue mover card are the very skills that make them the fully-fledged core contributors instead of "mere" codemonkey developers!
A skilled code developer who doesn't (mentor/touch/test/or review) at least one issue a week in the queues is a developer that "needs work".

Great work at the DrupalSouth Sprint guys!

Drupalsouth 2015 sprint cards

JAM in the middle here is following the developer package instructions and trying to get a git checkout working. In the end he did, and earned his badge!

DrupalSouth 2015 core sprint

thedavidmeister’s picture

@dman Rather than create a "designer" card, why not broaden it to "UX improver" or something (might be a snappier name for it than that).

Here's a couple of ideas:

- Provide a usability review for an issue tagged with "Needs usability review"

- Provide wireframe sketches and/or UI prototypes for an issue tagged with "Usability":

example wireframe sketch from Drupal South

- Move forward an issue tagged with "theme system cleanup"

dman’s picture

Yeah, the "design" bit was where we failed to make progress and it veered into 'light testing'

If the workflow for providing and crowd-sourcing 'Tour' integrations is stable enough, I think that this is an area where we can get the UX and Word-writing people involved!
Usability can either be writing or improving help OR even better, coming up with ways that makes "help" less necessary. Usability testing can feed that.

thedavidmeister’s picture

makes sense, additionally, "usability" is broad enough to cover accessibility issues as well, so there should be heaps of stuff for people to do

dinarcon’s picture

dinarcon’s picture

In preparation for LA, we will most likely need to order new stickers/cards. @YesCT had mentioned that few remain and those will be used up for Dev Days in France. We need to notify the Drupal Association ahead of time how many stickers/cards we would need. This is to make sure it is in their budget and they received the stickers/cards on time to take them to LA.

* Based on @thedavidmeister and @dman comments, do we need to make changes to the designs?
* How many stickers/cards should we order of each type?

kthull’s picture

I'm happy to handle the printing and updating of the cards again. Main things I need to know at this point are deadlines, quantities, and any changes/new versions.

dinarcon’s picture

Thanks @kthull

In the issue summary it is mentioned that 200 copies of each would work. Is that for both stickers and cards? I think the printing gets done by the Drupal Association. I will double check. We still need to determine if new designs will be required.

YesCT’s picture

in the past, kthull had done the print ordering, let's keep that if kthull is willing (since they are familiar with the ordering process and their vendors already). then the DA will be invoiced. I can front the money if that helps also. Should be shipped to the DA though, so they can bring them to the event.

dinarcon’s picture

Thanks @YesCT. I have written the DA for a contact person and mailing address. I will pass that information to @kthull when I get a reply. Thanks @kthull.

kthull’s picture

@YesCT would have a better handle on the necessary quantities. If memory serves, we print fewer stickers than cards. And I'm completely fine doing the purchasing.

alimac’s picture

I moved the repository for the sprint cards into an organization - https://github.com/drupal-mentoring - rather than my personal account:
https://github.com/drupal-mentoring/drupal-contributor-roles

alimac’s picture

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YesCT’s picture

I checked the production needs doc the DA and I have been working on. We do not have a guideline for how much to order.
The attendance estimation spreadsheet for AMS said: Mentoring sprint and workshop participants: 256, LA optimistically estimating 315. (doesn't count 70 mentors)

Feedback from last time was we should put these in the hands of everyone right from the beginning, which I think means we need more than 200.

Let's do 300 of each card and sticker. Extras will NOT go to waste and can be reused at next event, or sometimes people take some home for use at their next local event.

@kthull can you post the estimate for costs?

kthull’s picture

@YesCT: 300 each of 5 stickers is $337. Still waiting on estimate for the cards.

kthull’s picture

@YesCT: estimate for cards is $230. Shipping will be extra and can't be estimated until we have an address.

eojthebrave’s picture

It may be to late for LA, but any chance of also getting a "Documentor" card to help promote the importance of, and value of, contributions to documentation? See #2350575: Add "Documentor" card to Contributor Cards. Which proposes a new documentor card ideally, or at least adding some reference to documentation on the existing cards at a minimum. If it's not to late, what needs to be done for this to happen? Thanks!

dman’s picture

> what needs to be done for this to happen?

Someone just has to come up with 6 substantial, achievable tasks for that stream. Tasks that end up with the contribution actually ending up somewhere they can be useful.

We are hoping to concentrate on 'tour' module additions in our next #drupal8nz sprint, and it would be good if there was a UI or something that "documenters" could use that didn't require them submitting documentation in the form of patches ... Even a *process* for getting text changes into the queue would help them.

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Hi @kthull, I have sent you a message through your d.o contact page with the address the contributor role cards and stickers should be shipped to. It is the Drupal Association's address in Portland.

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I added a first-pass at some text for a Documentor card here https://www.drupal.org/node/2350575#comment-9812377 Lets keep the discussion of what should be on the card to that issue.

What I'm still curious about though is if there is time to get this into the mix for DrupalCon LA or if the cards for LA are already off to be printed?

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@eojthebrave The cards/stickers have not been ordered yet. @kthull mentioned in IRC the they take about a week to produce and about 2 days for shipping. I will contact the DA to verify the due date for these. We might have some time to print them for LA if the text/design is agreed promptly.

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I think it *might* be too late to get them printed.

Because
kevin would have to lay it out,
and upload it for printing,
they would need to be printed,
sent to the DA
and the DA needs time to pack them up with the con equipment and send them to the convention center.

and we are getting very close to LA.

We can let kevin say how many days in advance he needs final wording (which would be useful to know for planning future new cards for other events).

BUT we can totally finalize the wording and use a virtual copy and test it out.
In fact, we could test out a virtual version of the (virtual) card at dev days if it is done in the next 2 or 3 days.

YesCT’s picture

From #2350575-6: Add "Documentor" card to Contributor Cards

Note, we avoid URLs on the cards, so we may want to phrase these things more specifically....
OH, I see we took out the online versions when we moved to github.
https://www.drupal.org/node/2306609/revisions/view/7762059/8033509

I think we might want to consider having something that would generate the online version to put on d.o which could have links, but still track changes through github.

kthull’s picture

I'd suggest two days in advance to give time for both layout and approval here before releasing to the printer.

dinarcon’s picture

If we were to send the stickers/cards to the Drupal Association offices, they should arrive by April 29th. We can also ship them to a warehouse with any other material we will need for the booth at LA by May 4th.

YesCT’s picture

I'm worried we are already late and should order the print stuff now.

(note I found a typo https://github.com/drupal-mentoring/drupal-contributor-roles/pull/7 )

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I agree with @YesCT, especially since I just got news that I will be moving May 1st and need to spend free time packing!

Also, that typo was not on the print cards, only the HTML version.

Can I get confirmation that I am ordering 300 each (per #89) of the following:
- Stickers (#13)
- Cards (English only, #61)

All as is.

Thanks!

YesCT’s picture

Let's make it 50 each in spanish, 250 each in english, and 300 stickers. Those versions from #13 and #61 are the ones. Thank you!

kthull’s picture

Will do, though I won't know the impact on cost for printing the cards before ordering. Shouldn't be a huge jump, but the costs will go up.

kthull’s picture

Done! Stickers will arrive on 4/22 and I requested the cards arrive no later than 4/27 to allow for any sort of delays.

What are the next steps for additional types? I see the Documentor card has a draft in the git repo. I will play around with the mini map. Maybe if we indicate all the possible paths, I can create a larger version on the backs of the cards that will end up looking more like a web or a roadmap. Printing on backs will add costs, but will let us make the graphic truly meaningful and give it the room to grow and change over time.

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Thanks for your help @kthull! I will let the staff at the Drupal Association know that this has been ordered already and the expected delivery date. You can send my the recipe to help with a refund.

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Project: Core office hours tasks » Mentoring
David Hernández’s picture

Title: Contributor role cards and stickers for booth » (BCN, Due: 2015-09-01) Contributor role cards and stickers for booth
Issue summary: View changes

I'm re-opening this issue for the DrupalCon Barcelona.

Some tasks that need to be done:

  • Check with the DA how many cards are left from previous Cons.
  • Review how many cards do we want to order and the ratio english-spanish.
  • Review the translation.
  • Review the changes since the last batch was printed.
kthull’s picture

Is the due date when the DA needs the materials at the Portland address? If not, I'll need clarification on what day materials need to be at which address.

kthull’s picture

@David Hernández any updates?

David Hernández’s picture

Not yet, I'm going to contact the DA to see how many cards they still have.

YesCT’s picture

Sept 1 is going to be past the deadline of us ordering these. We should get this done asap.

David Hernández’s picture

I'm moving this, but the DA is currently on an employee retreat.

When do we need to order the cards? If we need to print more, we can do that in Spain as it would give us a few more days.

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The cards take a week to print. Stickers are about the same. I'm unclear whether 9/1 is the ship date or the date the DA needs materials in hand.

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Ok, I got a reply from Tina, from the DA with the content of the sprint kit that they will send:

  • Banner + banner stand
  • Sprint cards
  • Sprint stickers
  • Sharpies, lots of different colors
  • Post-Its, few different colors
  • Binder clips
  • Name stickers (“Hi my name is…”)
  • Bright colored painters tape (bright green)
  • Ream of paper
  • Plastic page protectors
  • String
  • Scissors
  • Table tents
  • Scotch tape

If we need to order anything new, we should let them know before the 6th of August.

Tina will send me the exact amount of sprint cards left during the week.

kattekrab’s picture

The Documentor card issue has seen progress too

https://www.drupal.org/node/2350575

@kthull - I did a mockup of layout in inkscape in that issue - but it doesn't match the others - and there's also a new map of the roles which should be updated on the other cards too. Grab an SVG of the new map here: https://www.drupal.org/node/2350575#comment-10171672

sprint roles map

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@kattekrab nice!

David Hernández’s picture

Title: (BCN, Due: 2015-09-01) Contributor role cards and stickers for booth » (BCN, Due: 2015-08-20) Contributor role cards and stickers for booth

Hello,

Here is the list of cards and stickers that the DA has:

Stickers:

  • blue - Community Contributor: 170
  • red - Explorer: 190
  • yellow - Developer: 130
  • green - Mentor: 190
  • purple - Issue Mover: 175

Cards in English:

  • blue - Community Contributor: 90
  • red - Explorer: 110
  • yellow - Developer: 90
  • green - Mentor: 110
  • purple - Issue Mover: 110

Cards in Spanish:

  • blue - Community Contributor: 60
  • red - Explorer: 70
  • yellow - Developer: 55
  • green - Mentor: 100
  • purple - Issue Mover: 100

And now we have a more accurate day. The DA is shipping their pallet on August 20. If we don't have enough time to send them to Portland, the DA is open to send them directly to Spain.

David Hernández’s picture

We need to be sure that the printed cards contain the new Documentor Card and that the new prints have the new map of roles.

David Hernández’s picture

After discussing with YesCT, we think 300 of each stickers plus 300 contributor cards (200 english, 100 spanish) will be enough. So, we should order the next amounts:

Stickers:

blue - Community Contributor: 130
red - Explorer: 110
yellow - Developer: 170
green - Mentor: 110
purple - Issue Mover: 125
dark blue - Documentator: 300

Cards in English:

blue - Community Contributor: 110
red - Explorer: 90
yellow - Developer: 110
green - Mentor: 90
purple - Issue Mover: 90
dark blue - Documentator: 200

Cards in Spanish:

blue - Community Contributor: 40
red - Explorer: 30
yellow - Developer: 45
green - Mentor: 0
purple - Issue Mover: 0
dark blue - Documentator: 100

David Hernández’s picture

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YesCT’s picture

great.

@kthull might need to order more round amounts like 50 or 100 or whatever. I'll leave that decision up to @kthull.

thanks so much!

heddn’s picture

Following up on my feedback from #2350575-31: Add "Documentor" card to Contributor Cards. I just returned from a primarily spanish speaking Drupal camp in Costa Rica, there was some English sessions. But a lot was entirely in Spanish.

I was personally thanked by several attendees when I did my talk in Spanish. If our introduction to Drupal forces folks to use English, I feel that isn't the full-frontal nicity I'd like to demonstrate. If the issue we are facing is gender related, using present participle would get us around that. I don't think it is imperative to use actor titles. There is plenty in the programming world that forces folks to learn English. Explaining to someone (if they ask) why the titles are in English and everything else is in spanish seems... almost seems offensive.

Examples:
Soy explorando or just Explorando
Soy documentación, or Documentación or Documentando

kthull’s picture

Yes, I'll adjust quantities as needed. Considering we just lost a week in the due date, we are cutting it really close for mailing to Portland, and shipping to Spain will be more expensive. I have no clue what the difference would be, or whether customs gets involved and what type of delay that could introduce.

Not sure what to do with @heddn's very valid comments, especially in terms of stickers, as it would mean we really should have Spanish versions of the stickers too.

ETA: if we can have final consensus by Wednesday 5 August, I could release files to the printer the following day and comfortably get materials to the DA in Portland. Beyond that, it gets dicey.

penyaskito’s picture

Merged PR in the github repo, still needing https://github.com/eojthebrave/drupal-contributor-roles/pull/1 to be in sync.

David Hernández’s picture

Replying to Heddn, in #123:

As a spanish speaker, I don't find it necessary to translate the role names to spanish. Usually names are not translated or should not be translated. There are lots of names that we learn while we contribute and are only in english: the tags we use, the word "issue" has no good translation to spanish, technical names like "stack" or "IDE", technical concepts like "reroll"...

A basic english knowledge is necessary to contribute, once you start using the drupal.org tools (issue queue, the code itself, the documentation...) you require english and those names are all spread around, translating them to spanish can be more than confusing. Should we duplicate the tags? Should we add the rest of languages?

In my opinion, we should be pragmatic: let's keep all the names in english. They are easy to learn and easy to understand. If now, we always have translation tools. We are also running out of time, if we decide to translate the role names, we can do it for the next event.

penyaskito’s picture

#125is fixed now. The repo is synced with the issue summary AFAIK.

heddn’s picture

re #126: thanks for your response. I was curious what a native Spanish speaker's thoughts might be. The title translations were not for the sake of translations since these are cognates. So I appreciate your helpful response.

kthull’s picture

Ok, based on #126 and #128, I will proceed as is, targeting 8/20 delivery to Portland.

David Hernández’s picture

Thank you all for your effort!

I'm telling the DA that they will receive the cards before the 20, so they are aware. @kthull, If you think there is going to be any delay, let me know, so I can tell them as soon as possible.

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Question on the Community Contributor cards. Should they end with Next: Issue Mover or Documentor?

Also, attached a PDF of the sticker set with the new Documenter in dark blue.

kthull’s picture

Huh...on a separate note, as I saw my comment, I realized I "misspelled" Documentor. Only it looked correct with -er instead of -or.

Seems Wictionary would have it Documenter as well.

Thoughts?

David Hernández’s picture

I added a new Pull Request to address those issues: https://github.com/drupal-mentoring/drupal-contributor-roles/pull/12

kattekrab’s picture

Yes, I think it should be documentEr not Or. good catch!

and also Yes, agree Contributor should have next: Documenter or Issue Mover - that makes sense.

David Hernández’s picture

The issues reported on #131 and #132 have been fixed.

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Cool. Any chance the Spanish version is affected (aside from the spelling of the roles)?

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Ok, here are the English and Spanish cards and the updated stickers for review. I'd like to send these out tomorrow (Friday).

Also, @kattekrab, I added an arrow between Developer and Mentor since that's a path indicated by the text.

David Hernández’s picture

There is an issue on the spanish version, I've created a Pull Request to solve it: https://github.com/drupal-mentoring/drupal-contributor-roles/pull/13

The rest, seems good to me.

penyaskito’s picture

Merged.

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Thank you, penyaskito!

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Ok, new spanish version attached. Also, please check the second to the last bullet on the Documenter card. The english text for that one reads "Attend Drupal Core office hours." I changed it based on the translation of the last bullet point of the Mentor card.

kattekrab’s picture

Status: Needs work » Needs review

Awesome work @kthull - good catch adding the arrow between dev and mentor.

I'll pop this at needs review for someone to check that spanish dot point about office hours. But otherwise RTBC I say!

kthull’s picture

Stickers have been ordered and are expected at the DA no later than 8/18. Based on stickermule's order quantities, I adjusted from #120 as such:

blue - Community Contributor: 100
red - Explorer: 100
yellow - Developer: 200
green - Mentor: 100
purple - Issue Mover: 100
dark blue - Documentator: 300

Sticker order total $288. I will submit to the DA for reimbursement.

David Hernández’s picture

Status: Needs review » Reviewed & tested by the community

Seems good to me.

kthull’s picture

Ok, sending to the printer in the following quantities:

50 each:
(es) Explorer
(es) Contributor
(es) Developer

100 each:
(en) Explorer
(en) Contributor
(en) Issue Mover
(en) Developer
(en) Mentor
(es) Documenter

200 each:
(en) Documenter

heddn’s picture

I've updated https://www.drupal.org/sprint-task-cards to list the latest versions of the cards as well.

David Hernández’s picture

The stickers have arrived to the DA.

kthull’s picture

Cool. Cards are on track to arrive on Tuesday.

David Hernández’s picture

Sprint cards have arrived to the DA. Can we change the status of this issue to fixed?

kattekrab’s picture

Status: Reviewed & tested by the community » Fixed

Yay!

Thanks for the update @David Hernández

Status: Fixed » Closed (fixed)

Automatically closed - issue fixed for 2 weeks with no activity.