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There has been some discussion on the team mailinglist, but a discussion here can be more productive in my opinion...
Rationale: Aegir needs more resources to keep on developing and maintenance.
/donate Text changes:
Some improvements have been applied in #1.
Can we do better?
Promoting on project pages
#2175709: Update project pages with credits
Additional donation/payment methods
#2175719: Additional donation/payment methods
Promoting after install
#2184619: Promoting after install via Support block
Related
#2138397: Highlight Flattr, Paypal or Whatever Opportunities on Issue Pages
#2138383: Highlight Gittip Opportunities on Project Page
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#9 | piwik-support-block.png | 45.73 KB | helmo |
Comments
Comment #1
helmo CreditAttribution: helmo commentedI've updated the /donate page today.
These two topics still need to be covered:
Additional Payment methods
Promoting on project pages
Comment #2
mengi CreditAttribution: mengi commentedI think having more payment methods would help. I know a lot of people who have bad experiences with Paypal and refuse to use it, and some countries don't have access to Paypal.
More donate buttons would also help, or perhaps run a campaign ala Firefox/Wikipedia, where they show a message every time you visit the site asking for donations. That would be useful for people who only visit the discussion/documentation pages.
Comment #3
helmo CreditAttribution: helmo commentedAny payment methods you prefer?
I'm intrigued by https://www.gittip.com/about/teams/
Comment #4
helmo CreditAttribution: helmo commentedComment #5
helmo CreditAttribution: helmo commentedComment #6
mengi CreditAttribution: mengi commentedThe ideal would be being able to take cards directly on the site. Other then that, there's amazon simple pay and google wallet for the US. I have not heard of gittip, but looks interesting.
There is also patchranger.com and flattr, but I do not have any experience with them.
Comment #7
helmo CreditAttribution: helmo commentedBoth flattr and gittip accept credit cards. I've added flattr and http://freedomsponsors.org to #2175719: Additional donation/payment methods
patchranger.com seems more like a person doing things with flattr and http://freedomsponsors.org not a platform.
Comment #8
helmo CreditAttribution: helmo commentedI'm generalizing this issue. The suggested text in (old revision was applied in #1 .
Comment #9
helmo CreditAttribution: helmo commentedComment #10
helmo CreditAttribution: helmo commentedComment #11
ergonlogicI think we should really focus on subscription-type donations. It's much easier to see that $10/mth is easily covered many times by the efficiency boost you get from Aegir. But if you've used in for 2 years, the equivalent one-off donation would be $240, which is harder to swallow.
Comment #12
helmo CreditAttribution: helmo commentedComment #13
chertzogIve been using Stripe (https://stripe.com) for some subscription based projects, and its been great. The API is wonderful, and its pretty cheap, all things considered.
Comment #14
helmo CreditAttribution: helmo commentedCanonical has an interesting form on http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/questions
Comment #15
chertzogis there any possibility that we could implement our own payment system, instead of relying on third party system like gittip?
What would we need to do that? A formal organization and a bank account?
Comment #16
helmo CreditAttribution: helmo commentedA formal organization seems a bit far fetched.
The current paypal account is entrusted to Koumbit.
Do we need a professional paypal account to create a widget like piwik has?
Do you see value in a 'old style' bank account?
Comment #17
chertzogIts just that an "old style" account would be required for something like stripe or https://www.balancedpayments.com. <- which also handles ACH transfers and Payout abilities.
Comment #18
mengi CreditAttribution: mengi commentedPiggybacking on eronlogic's idea of subscription based payments... Some sort of membership would be great. Similar to what Drupal has. We could put a nice image on our websites saying we support Aegir. Or have a special tag by our username on aegirproject.org showing that we are 'paid' members.
Comment #19
ergonlogicre #18, CiviCRM can be set up to allow such subscriptions. We could then use something like http://drupal.org/project/web_widgets to generate embeddable badges. These could in turn link back to our contribution/subscription page.
Comment #20
helmo CreditAttribution: helmo commentedBalanced looks nice to build a funding platform, and if the Koumbit has enough civiCRM experience to easily set this up then by all means...
But this depends on us having a regular back account... unless they start to support paypal (issue has been open for a year)
But lets avoid inventing our own croudfunding platform (wheels ...), and focus our own time on what we're good at.
Piwik has their subscription widget via paypal.
@mengi: Doing badges could indeed be a motivating factor.
Comment #21
helmo CreditAttribution: helmo as a volunteer and at Initfour websolutions commentedThe roundcube project is doing a nice funding round on https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/roundcube-next--2#/story
Comment #22
helmo CreditAttribution: helmo as a volunteer and at Initfour websolutions commentedAnyone experience with https://www.bountysource.com ?
Comment #23
ergonlogicSo, just to update those not in-the-know, most of the core maintainers, along with other contributors, are forming a cooperative to provide "vendor" support for Aegir. Among other things, profits from this co-op are earmarked for:
We should be making announcements within the next few months concerning beta access to these services.
Comment #24
helmo CreditAttribution: helmo as a volunteer and at Initfour websolutions commentedOur paypal account is currently blocked by Canadian law until we can file some paperwork :(
I added a team on Bountysource ... https://www.bountysource.com/teams/aegir/
Ping me if/when you have an account there which I can add.
I'm currently unable to link an issue tracker ... D.o is not supported but our docs issue queue on github should be possible.
Comment #25
helmo CreditAttribution: helmo as a volunteer and at Initfour websolutions commentedI've drafted a sidebar for http://aegirproject.org/ on https://github.com/aegir-project/aegir-project.github.io/pull/3
Needs discussion and HTML/CSS love though ;)
Comment #26
gusaus CreditAttribution: gusaus commentedI'd like to suggest OpenCollective as both an open source, transparent platform and community that could help support Aegir. The following should provide some background on how other OSS projects are using:
The process for setting up a collective is quite simple and I'd be happy to help leverage the platform and community in a way that benefits Aegir.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Comment #27
anarcat CreditAttribution: anarcat as a volunteer commentedFWIW, the snowdrift.coop people made an amazing review of crowdfunding platforms that may be useful. they also did a thorough review of payment gateways.
snowdrift itself is interesting as well, of course. :)
Comment #28
gusaus CreditAttribution: gusaus commentedVery thorough comparison! Just looking over all the platforms is quite overwhelming. In addition to the [simplicity and transparency](https://opencollective.com/learn-more), OpenCollective has an active community already collaborating on ways to support each other. Including some folks you might regognize -
https://github.com/OpenCollective/OpenCollective/issues/345
https://github.com/OpenCollective/opencollective-api/issues/769
https://github.com/OpenCollective/opencollective-api/issues/793
Comment #29
Jon PughThat is very interesting. I think the Coop could definitely benefit from something like this, especially for the expenses part: https://opencollective.com/webpack/expenses
I fully support this idea. We need something central that draws people in and makes them feel good about spending money on a free project.
I see a tiny issue, where you have to have a GitHub project with over 100 stars (we currently top out at 11 for the documentation.).
Perhaps we can argue for an exception since we are originally developed on drupal.org.
Comment #30
Jon PughWe spoke about it in the Coop meeting today and agreed that while we don't expect a windfall, we should setup an Open Collective account.
I'm getting in touch with gusaus to get the ball rolling...
Comment #31
gusaus CreditAttribution: gusaus commentedIf we're able to follow through with what we've been discussing in https://slack.opencollective.com/, I think https://opencollective.com/webpack could be a realistic example of the amount of funds that could be raised.