No breadcrumbs in Seven

funny thing is. when in admin, the 'back to live site' == Home link in the breadcrumb:

Rename 'Home' to 'Site' and voila! :-)

Well, having "places where you can no longer navigate within an admin section due to lack of breadcrumbs" is not so good.

Maybe a theme function override or something could do that just for Seven (this would 'hardcode' Seven to be an admin only theme of course)

attached patch creates the layout as seen in the screenshot, so certainly needs work.

There are multiple places where the navigation is lost due to the lack of breadcrumbs. For example, if you go to admin/settings/formats/1 to configure a text format, there is no way to go back to the Text formats list.

I propose to consider adding breadcrumbs to the Seven theme, at least temporarily.

To me this gives the impression that Administer is part of Site and Something Else is part of Administer. The second part is correct, but from what I've seen, we're working hard *not* to convey the first part, so I think that we could add the breadcrumb like it is in the mockup, and just remove "home" from the breadcrumb.

Otherwise, visually, the screenshot looks good.

Great! The most most important issue.

It is very hard to see were we are in D7, new and old users alike.

In #546694: "Back to the live site" is misleading and incorrect I've just commented about the "Back to" link and the Breadcrumb.....

In yoroy screen capture in #1, I would remove Home and rename Administer to Dashboard, making the root for the new breadcrumb: "dashboard". For example:

dashboard > config > development > maintenance

With the new breadcrumb, we could keep the «Back to the ...» link displayed below the breadcrumb.

I would also align the breadcrumb and the «Back to the ...» link to the left.

I am all for the breadcrumbs. I am actually in favor to the theme_breadcrumb() implementation that catch mentioned in #2.

I'm now voicing for #2 also. :-)

@catch What's the issue number for removing /admin? Will D7 simply show a 404 on /admin?

subscribe.

I also agree with number 2.

Another (probably stupid) approach would be to extend that by moving the admin theme functionality into a new admin_theme module and using that to set the "home" segment of the breadcrumb to "back to front page" or whatever for whatever theme is used as the admin theme.

Due to the streamlined interface of Seven, adding breadcrumbs (without home and the current page) enables someone to disable the whole Management menu block (when not in overlay modus), without having any problems (after everything has been moved out of admin)

As a concequence, this streamlines the interface of Seven even more!

Try the following:
- Install the drupal with the expert profile.
- Set Seven as your admin theme.
- Now try to find the module page without using the Management Menu (ofcourse, you can click Administer when you are in Garland)
(you won't be able to find that page)

Solution:
Provide breadcrumbs: allows one to get back to a less drilled down overview.
Don't use local tasks on admin overview pages (exception: different views of the same e.g. by task / by module) (see #550718: admin/people needs to have a default tab (was: Tabs on admin pages are not accessible from overviews and menus))

I've been struggling with lack of breadcrumbs for a day now. I like #2, with the following change:

<- Back to the front page > Administer > Appearance

In other words, I do think that from a usability standpoint newcomers to Drupal will appreciate the clarity of "back to the front page" as opposed to something like "site".

I tried to keep the design of the breadcrumbs in line with the design of seven.

Comments are welcome!

BEFORE:

AFTER:

Try it out!

No, please follow the mockup as per #2, almost all comments here are agreeing on that direction.
Putting the title as the last item in the breadcrumbs looks really bad.

Basically, only a renaming of the first item of the standard breadcrumbs to 'Back to the live site'.

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I would also say that white-on-light-gray is non-ideal use of color.

Yep, just use the blue.

here is the patch with the requested behaviour.
also fixed the white-on-light-gray in my alternative suggestion.

screenshots:
before:

requested:

alternative:

note that to actually see the power of the alternative, you should see it in action, especially when going back during a drill-down

ofcourse, reviews are welcome ;)

Get rid of /admin? Really? So now admins have to actually remember in which category each link belongs? At least with the old /admin you could scan one page and get to the link you want. Thats two clicks versus a crapshoot of clicks.

Sure, that is possible.

this issue is part of #551070: [meta-issue] IA broken when toolbar.module not enabled

@Moshe: current approach is:
/admin is the location for the dashboard: #376103: Make /admin into a REAL dashboard.
'configuration & modules' page has two tabs: config and modules, of which config is the default. This page will closely resemble our current /admin. We're reworking the IA for the categories on there in #546956: [meta-issue] Overhaul of Information Architecture

those mockups don't look too elegant to me. i would personally stick with Home there.

Subscribe. I agree that the first item should be Site and that the page title should not be the last item in the breadcrumb but rather its own separate entity. Also, can we add a little more padding between the breadcrumb and the page title? There's no room to breathe there.

let's not delay this issue with bikeshedding... I've left the breadcrubs just as they come from core, it can be changed in another issue.

works for me ... please wait for green test result before committing.

To get the green bot test results we need to keep it at needs review. :-)

But as soon as we get green, you have my RTBC.

Thats not so. The test bot continually tests RTBC patches also. It will hit this patch as soon as it wakes up from its nap.

Oh, testing bot...

Shouldn't we remove the $back_to_site variable then?

done!

Green! :-)

Reading the backlog of comments, I actually think having "Home" change to something else on the backend would be even more confusing. Users will learn that this takes them to their "Home" page, and if it suddenly became "Site" on the back-end that would be very weird. And I also agree that navigating around with Seven is currently very difficult.

OTOH, I think Mark Boulton is going to be sad that this got committed, since when you look at this theme in the "big picture" vision he had laid out with this theme displayed in overlays, you do very much need an explicit link to go "back to your site," and breadcrumbs make no sense. It occurs to me though that the way to handle this in the overlays patch (if it isn't yet; will have to check) is a custom .tpl.php file for theming pages while in the overlay. Then, the Seven theme can still be perfectly usable as a stand-alone admin theme, but gets enhanced when overlays are present, and overlays are abstracted and can be applied to any theme.

Anyway. :) Committed to HEAD.