WEBVTT 127 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:39.219 Benji Fisher: Welcome. This is the drupal usability meeting for April fifth, 2024. 128 00:11:39.270 --> 00:11:42.849 Benji Fisher: I'm Benji Fisher, moderating and sharing my screen. 129 00:11:43.290 --> 00:11:47.210 Benji Fisher: and also here are Ralph Kohler, Aaron Mchale. 130 00:11:47.370 --> 00:11:53.170 Benji Fisher: author shall Simo Helston Scott, and Thomas Howell. Thanks all for coming. 131 00:11:53.540 --> 00:11:55.050 Benji Fisher: We haven't had. 132 00:11:55.750 --> 00:11:57.990 Benji Fisher: like this many people in few weeks. 133 00:12:00.790 --> 00:12:07.299 Benji Fisher: so today, we're going to look at what's currently a contribut module, the navigation module. 134 00:12:08.636 --> 00:12:15.030 Benji Fisher: It's being felt by several core developers, and the the hope is that 135 00:12:15.330 --> 00:12:18.140 Benji Fisher: once it's in a good shape 136 00:12:18.250 --> 00:12:20.819 Benji Fisher: it will be merged into core 137 00:12:25.230 --> 00:12:29.759 Benji Fisher: But we've installed the module on a couple of test sites. 138 00:12:32.810 --> 00:12:39.989 Benji Fisher: both of them being shared via engrock. There's a standard installation, and there's a 139 00:12:41.625 --> 00:12:42.650 Benji Fisher: mommy. 140 00:12:43.430 --> 00:12:46.290 Benji Fisher: I haven't logged in yet. I assume it's the usual. 141 00:12:48.430 --> 00:12:49.010 Ralf Koller: Yes. 142 00:12:53.490 --> 00:12:57.900 Benji Fisher: And could someone share links again in the Zoom chat because we had oops. 143 00:12:58.250 --> 00:12:59.760 Benji Fisher: A couple of people 144 00:13:00.390 --> 00:13:02.759 Benji Fisher: join in the last few minutes? 145 00:13:04.610 --> 00:13:05.660 Benji Fisher: There we go. 146 00:13:06.460 --> 00:13:07.940 Benji Fisher: And this 147 00:13:10.060 --> 00:13:11.300 Benji Fisher: toolbar 148 00:13:11.410 --> 00:13:13.889 Benji Fisher: in from the left is 149 00:13:13.930 --> 00:13:16.180 Benji Fisher: what the module is providing. 150 00:13:18.410 --> 00:13:19.150 Benji Fisher: And 151 00:13:22.490 --> 00:13:29.749 Benji Fisher: okay, good. Does anyone have anything to say about it? Just looking at it in its initial appearance 152 00:13:31.940 --> 00:13:35.119 Benji Fisher: seems to be a little different in the 2 installations. 153 00:13:40.150 --> 00:13:41.779 Ralf Koller: Uf media installed. 154 00:13:42.800 --> 00:13:43.770 Benji Fisher: Is that? 155 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:45.530 Benji Fisher: That's what 156 00:13:45.910 --> 00:13:47.409 Benji Fisher: is that? The only difference? 157 00:13:48.070 --> 00:13:49.930 Benji Fisher: Mommy, of course. 158 00:13:50.340 --> 00:13:53.429 Benji Fisher: installs needed. Yeah, I think you're right. That is the only difference. 159 00:14:00.010 --> 00:14:01.790 Benji Fisher: so I know Ralph has 160 00:14:03.430 --> 00:14:04.840 Benji Fisher: thought about this 161 00:14:04.980 --> 00:14:08.270 Benji Fisher: already, but I think I'll I'll first 162 00:14:08.750 --> 00:14:11.209 Benji Fisher: give other people chances there. 163 00:14:11.340 --> 00:14:12.840 Benji Fisher: Anything I should 164 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:15.420 Benji Fisher: do to start 165 00:14:15.550 --> 00:14:17.109 Benji Fisher: investigating. This 166 00:14:18.820 --> 00:14:21.030 Benji Fisher: seems that if I hover over 167 00:14:21.040 --> 00:14:22.209 Benji Fisher: one of these 168 00:14:24.505 --> 00:14:26.230 Benji Fisher: items with with 169 00:14:26.490 --> 00:14:28.980 Benji Fisher: children gets expanded 170 00:14:32.220 --> 00:14:32.940 Benji Fisher: I 171 00:14:33.340 --> 00:14:36.040 Benji Fisher: and click on configuration, I assume 172 00:14:37.190 --> 00:14:41.519 Benji Fisher: no clicking on this only opens or closes the 173 00:14:42.580 --> 00:14:43.600 Benji Fisher: child. 174 00:14:44.870 --> 00:14:46.136 Aaron McHale: Yeah. So 175 00:14:46.790 --> 00:14:50.460 Aaron McHale: just a bad background, I guess, cause I've been a sort of involved in some of this. 176 00:14:51.187 --> 00:14:59.129 Aaron McHale: The navigation modules went through many rounds of usability testing to get to where we are today. 177 00:14:59.150 --> 00:15:13.150 Aaron McHale: And for instance, we did some pop up testing triple con, and then we've done some subsequent one to one testing, and each round has some resulted in minor improvements. So couple of things 178 00:15:13.640 --> 00:15:17.490 Aaron McHale: to report being I guess, being aware of is that. 179 00:15:18.290 --> 00:15:35.110 Aaron McHale: like the the clicking on the configuration as you saw there, takes you into that sub menu is is kind of a by design, I guess, because you know, we're previously you'd be set off to these big listing pages, and I guess conversation is like how useful 180 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:45.060 Aaron McHale: or I like. How useful are those in terms of like when you can navigate through the using this and there's there's like conversations around the breadcrumb 181 00:15:45.537 --> 00:15:50.182 Aaron McHale: as well around this, which I'm not sure how far they progress. 182 00:15:50.830 --> 00:15:55.229 Aaron McHale: but you know there is. There was some also, some 183 00:15:56.496 --> 00:16:20.039 Aaron McHale: research done. I guess there was a top task survey things like that done in terms of the the hierarchy of the navigation. And so the navigation module itself doesn't doesn't change administrative menu. But there's potential for future work to do that because what we want, I think is to result in a a little bit. You take those bit of flatter 184 00:16:21.400 --> 00:16:27.369 Aaron McHale: menu, or do a more, broader reorganization is the idea. But you'll notice, for instance, this 185 00:16:27.687 --> 00:16:31.679 Aaron McHale: there's different groupings that we haven't seen before. So, for instance, we have 186 00:16:31.780 --> 00:16:39.310 Aaron McHale: create is a menu that did not previously exist, and that provides quick access to and 187 00:16:39.470 --> 00:16:48.979 Aaron McHale: create it looks like the moment I think it's just, I guess it's just content types and user potentially, other things will show up there. I'm not too 188 00:16:49.299 --> 00:17:11.370 Aaron McHale: familiar with exactly what was under the create menu. But you'll see. There's also a quick link to other things there like a blocks content files. So there's a bit of an effort there to incorporate some of these ideas that have been floating around. But there, there! This is slightly separate to this of broader reorganization effort of their sort of menu. So 189 00:17:11.656 --> 00:17:24.539 Aaron McHale: hopefully, that was a bit of a useful background. Just to share there. So we are at yeah, quite late stages in terms of all the usability testing is gone, and I'll I'll get way to Ralph. A sees guys hand up. 190 00:17:26.118 --> 00:17:27.631 Ralf Koller: Just one brief audition. 191 00:17:28.500 --> 00:17:30.110 Ralf Koller: for the basic 192 00:17:30.290 --> 00:17:38.399 Ralf Koller: pages of interest. As aside the sidebar. You're currently in this, or there are also 2 configuration pages we should take a look at 193 00:17:39.210 --> 00:17:41.120 Ralf Koller: just as an FYI. 194 00:17:42.360 --> 00:17:43.074 Benji Fisher: Okay, 195 00:17:44.150 --> 00:17:50.029 Benji Fisher: but I I'd still like opinions from people who are seeing this with fresh eyes, and and I'm one of them. 196 00:17:50.090 --> 00:17:52.429 Benji Fisher: and I guess the the first thing 197 00:17:52.470 --> 00:17:53.720 Benji Fisher: I want 198 00:17:53.940 --> 00:17:55.330 Benji Fisher: wanted to 199 00:17:55.410 --> 00:17:56.870 Benji Fisher: notices that. 200 00:17:58.900 --> 00:18:00.699 Benji Fisher: as I said, clicking on 201 00:18:00.850 --> 00:18:03.960 Benji Fisher: the link only opens the submenu. 202 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:09.659 Benji Fisher: And as I opened system basic site settings. 203 00:18:11.800 --> 00:18:18.920 Benji Fisher: I can use the breadcrumbs to get configuration page. But I can't get there from the navigation menu. 204 00:18:20.100 --> 00:18:25.279 Benji Fisher: And I can get to the top level administration page. And 205 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:35.389 Benji Fisher: I I agree that I, personally don't go to either those pages very often, so I won't miss it. But I I do just wanna 206 00:18:35.640 --> 00:18:39.589 Benji Fisher: notice that it's a little harder to get to those pages. 207 00:18:40.288 --> 00:18:43.169 Benji Fisher: And I guess the other thing I notice is that 208 00:18:43.760 --> 00:18:48.509 Benji Fisher: this section from structure down to announcements. Looks like it 209 00:18:49.410 --> 00:18:53.140 Benji Fisher: mirrors the administration menu structure. 210 00:18:54.370 --> 00:18:56.280 Benji Fisher: Hello. 211 00:18:57.330 --> 00:19:01.257 Benji Fisher: and meeting with people and reports. People reports. 212 00:19:02.560 --> 00:19:03.620 Benji Fisher: it's oh. 213 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:12.570 Benji Fisher: it's a little odd that announcements is not separated from the usual administration menu 214 00:19:12.630 --> 00:19:14.920 Benji Fisher: by one of these 215 00:19:15.100 --> 00:19:17.000 Benji Fisher: horizontal lines. 216 00:19:20.070 --> 00:19:21.930 Benji Fisher: and the other. 217 00:19:22.630 --> 00:19:24.390 Benji Fisher: I guess the shortcuts 218 00:19:26.020 --> 00:19:27.410 Benji Fisher: is 219 00:19:28.740 --> 00:19:32.211 Benji Fisher: you part of the standard toolbar 220 00:19:33.520 --> 00:19:36.829 Benji Fisher: and I guess these these 4 items are are new. 221 00:19:38.190 --> 00:19:55.189 Aaron McHale: Yeah, just I get up some contacts there. So what? So that there's the like idea of groupings here. So kind of like how the current toolbar has the top tray, and then the like inner tree. I guess you could say, it's got those 2 levels. It's 222 00:19:55.230 --> 00:19:56.679 Aaron McHale: taking that and just 223 00:19:57.010 --> 00:20:05.370 Aaron McHale: providing a different view of it, I guess you could say, but also adding, in that, create menu, and some other things there. So there's this idea of like being able to to 224 00:20:05.490 --> 00:20:18.557 Aaron McHale: have these groupings. I'm personally I don't. I don't know exactly how you configure those. There might be as well, so I think there is some configuration. We should spend some time looking at making sure that that is following best practice. But 225 00:20:19.156 --> 00:20:42.999 Aaron McHale: yeah, in terms of the announcements. That we always intended that that would. Actually, it's interesting, that like, is there? Because that did previously open in in the this the tray. But the idea is like long term. Yes, long term announcements. We don't envision the home of announcements being a link on the on the sidebar that will ideally move to a dashboard in the future. But that's 226 00:20:43.320 --> 00:20:45.143 Aaron McHale: that's a separate initiative. 227 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:49.230 Aaron McHale: and Thomas, you, Johanna, next. 228 00:20:52.360 --> 00:21:04.742 Thomas Howell: the 1 point. So I I agree with everything that Benji said but in particular I wanted to highlight the kind of I. They're not orphan pages, but I always think of them as orphan pages when 229 00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:08.625 Thomas Howell: they exist. But there's only one 230 00:21:09.170 --> 00:21:28.229 Thomas Howell: non obvious way to get to them. So if you can only get to them through the breadcrumbs, I understand why those pages exist. And I seem to recall this has been a historical problem where, like we even as as far back as drupal 6 in my experience, there would be 231 00:21:28.736 --> 00:21:53.320 Thomas Howell: places that might be helpful to some people, but you could only get to them through a particular way. And I'm not a fan of that. I feel that either. They shouldn't exist and not be available or like I I understand why? Because you have breadcrumbs, and you need to have something for that breadcrumb to exist. But it it just gets very confusing 232 00:21:53.320 --> 00:21:58.083 Thomas Howell: to me. So I just wanted to emphasize that 1 point that 233 00:21:58.830 --> 00:22:00.290 Thomas Howell: Benji made. Thank you. 234 00:22:02.210 --> 00:22:12.100 Simo Hellsten: There are actually 2 not obvious ways to get to those pages. So if Benji, if you click on configuration, open that drawer 235 00:22:12.730 --> 00:22:14.110 Simo Hellsten: and then click that 236 00:22:14.360 --> 00:22:15.690 Simo Hellsten: title there 237 00:22:15.950 --> 00:22:16.930 Simo Hellsten: the heading. 238 00:22:19.570 --> 00:22:23.690 Simo Hellsten: So that's something that it's not also very obvious. 239 00:22:24.880 --> 00:22:26.269 Thomas Howell: How do you get to? Admin? 240 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:31.660 Thomas Howell: Yeah. 241 00:22:31.660 --> 00:22:32.250 Aaron McHale: Don't 242 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:44.769 Aaron McHale: I? I I don't think you ever could, even in the current toolbar, like you can only get there by going top up in the breadcrumb like, if you click, manage on the current toolbar, it just expands the tray. So 243 00:22:44.970 --> 00:22:49.120 Aaron McHale: I that's not a regression. And also I I would again. I'm not like 244 00:22:49.360 --> 00:22:50.940 Aaron McHale: I 245 00:22:51.220 --> 00:23:04.979 Aaron McHale: I I wouldn't encourage us to spend like too much time focusing on that, because I think that it that is kind of by design. There is like, I said, a broader effort going on thinking around, what is the admin navigation structure. So I just, I don't wanna spend like the whole meeting talking about like 246 00:23:04.990 --> 00:23:07.040 Aaron McHale: these pages. If that makes sense. 247 00:23:14.120 --> 00:23:15.199 Benji Fisher: You're right. Just means. 248 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:18.159 Ofer Shaal: The bottom. Was that just the user admin. 249 00:23:20.270 --> 00:23:27.759 Benji Fisher: I just uninstalled the navigation module from this site. And and right, I don't see any way to get to 250 00:23:28.410 --> 00:23:33.660 Benji Fisher: the top level administration pages, and I I'm sorry ask getting shot. 251 00:23:34.570 --> 00:23:41.399 Ofer Shaal: I'm saying at the bottom left there, I see. Admin I was asking if that's just the username and not to could be confused with, yeah. 252 00:23:41.530 --> 00:23:42.280 Ofer Shaal: Ok. 253 00:23:42.560 --> 00:23:43.450 Ofer Shaal: you're there. 254 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:48.559 Benji Fisher: And, Scott, you've had your hand raised for a while. What did you want to say? 255 00:23:48.970 --> 00:23:52.907 skaught: So I've been a little, you know, involved with the module as well. 256 00:23:53.210 --> 00:23:54.828 Benji Fisher: Could you speak a little louder? Please. 257 00:23:55.060 --> 00:23:59.609 skaught: I have been involved with the module development as well. So I'm aware enough to know that. 258 00:23:59.897 --> 00:24:06.089 skaught: The what we're sort of looking at is the create section is the admin content menu that we're used to in toolbar. And that's for 259 00:24:06.470 --> 00:24:09.839 skaught: building that down more cleanly for content editing. 260 00:24:10.150 --> 00:24:15.159 skaught: And so that's why we see the separation between structure and announcements and the rest of the Admin tools. 261 00:24:15.450 --> 00:24:25.250 skaught: the landing page, the breadcrumb. I understand. I didn't actually get what people were talking about but the bread, bread, crumb, and you talking about clicking on the configuration as the landing page until actually right now. 262 00:24:25.420 --> 00:24:43.399 skaught: because drupal right? Toolbar doesn't have any dropdown menus. So you used to go have to get to a specific subsection landing page in order to get into the deeper tools. And that's what we're used to. We're still sorry. Sorry. Yeah, like you're new. You're looking at. We're looking at Admin toolbar installed in drupal. We're not looking at pure drupal right now. 263 00:24:44.300 --> 00:24:46.170 skaught: so please uninstall them in toolbar. 264 00:24:46.660 --> 00:24:54.460 Benji Fisher: This is the quadruple toolbar. You may be used to seeing it in horizontal mode where there aren't any dropdowns. I. 265 00:24:54.460 --> 00:24:55.609 skaught: Always prefer to. 266 00:24:56.310 --> 00:24:57.868 Benji Fisher: You sit in this mode. 267 00:24:58.340 --> 00:25:03.335 Benji Fisher: I helped a little bit when when Jesse Beach was developing this one. 268 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:10.370 skaught: Sorry I'm used to it, too. That's what throws me off to. Sorry, but that's the difference. So there's the difference that you needed to get to a landing page because there weren't 269 00:25:10.980 --> 00:25:13.489 skaught: older sublanding menus. 270 00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:26.890 skaught: and not all of an admin menu gets all of the actual links from menu items. They get them from local tasks as well. So local tasks aren't attributed for all of the actual tasks that exist in drupal admin. 271 00:25:31.040 --> 00:25:36.539 skaught: So we see, hold where you see, like the new navigation menu, go into a child page, and that sort of thing, or 272 00:25:36.550 --> 00:25:42.259 skaught: the fact that we don't never see a pure slash drupal or slash admin page anywhere in drupal. 273 00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:44.390 skaught: because that doesn't actually really exist. 274 00:25:46.810 --> 00:25:48.906 Benji Fisher: So let's see content. 275 00:25:49.430 --> 00:25:53.489 skaught: You can go to slash, admin, but it's not. It's never in an actual page. 276 00:25:53.490 --> 00:25:56.090 Benji Fisher: Okay. And and what were you saying about local tasks. 277 00:25:56.130 --> 00:25:57.900 Benji Fisher: for instance, content has. 278 00:25:57.900 --> 00:26:11.380 skaught: Local. Well, sorry. So things like permissions and stuff like that are local tasks. Plugins. So you see, like, if something has an action, an action link on it. You don't see that in a menu, but it's technically a page like it's created. 279 00:26:11.990 --> 00:26:14.658 Benji Fisher: So on on on the people. Page 280 00:26:15.590 --> 00:26:18.709 Benji Fisher: permissions, roles and role settings are 281 00:26:19.370 --> 00:26:25.759 Benji Fisher: local tasks. I don't see them in the new navigation menu. I also don't see them 282 00:26:26.100 --> 00:26:27.350 Benji Fisher: in the 283 00:26:27.620 --> 00:26:29.230 Benji Fisher: current toolbar. 284 00:26:29.980 --> 00:26:33.460 Benji Fisher: So that doesn't seem to have changed. Or or were you saying something else 285 00:26:34.300 --> 00:26:35.520 Benji Fisher: for that local desk? 286 00:26:35.520 --> 00:26:38.429 skaught: So I I just meant to point it. That's why we don't see them in a menu. 287 00:26:38.650 --> 00:26:39.350 Benji Fisher: Okay. 288 00:26:40.320 --> 00:26:41.010 Benji Fisher: 3. 289 00:26:43.030 --> 00:26:44.170 Benji Fisher: Go ahead, Ralph. 290 00:26:44.610 --> 00:26:49.370 Ralf Koller: Just one brief edition. About that behaviour something I've noticed 291 00:26:49.620 --> 00:26:58.239 Ralf Koller: 2 days ago. If you install Project Browser, for example. That's the only module. I know that is adding 292 00:26:58.690 --> 00:27:03.470 Ralf Koller: one local task, basically to the extent top level menu, so 293 00:27:03.730 --> 00:27:05.480 Ralf Koller: that where you have a single 294 00:27:05.620 --> 00:27:07.439 Ralf Koller: submenu item in there. 295 00:27:08.350 --> 00:27:11.279 Ralf Koller: it's a slightly different behavior. I've already 296 00:27:11.510 --> 00:27:13.209 Ralf Koller: noted it. But yeah. 297 00:27:18.830 --> 00:27:24.700 Benji Fisher: Okay, if you want to install Project Browser on this site, you can go ahead and and I can. 298 00:27:24.700 --> 00:27:27.819 Ralf Koller: I'm unable to cause. It's 2 plus 11, 299 00:27:28.060 --> 00:27:30.140 Ralf Koller: and it's only work on 10. 300 00:27:34.630 --> 00:27:35.100 Benji Fisher: so. 301 00:27:35.100 --> 00:27:36.052 Aaron McHale: Yeah, I just 302 00:27:37.990 --> 00:27:41.529 Aaron McHale: so I was gonna add that I think it's worth point again. It's worth it. We'll see that like 303 00:27:42.470 --> 00:27:50.689 Aaron McHale: the fact that the local, like permissions and rules and things are local tasks, is kind of a symptom of like the toolbar or current navigation paradigm. But 304 00:27:51.066 --> 00:28:00.809 Aaron McHale: as that this is a good example of something. Where in the future, once we do like a more, we'll say reorganization of the admin navigation. I think that's the kind of thing that we'll we'll see change. 305 00:28:03.270 --> 00:28:07.401 Benji Fisher: What one thing I don't like is that these 306 00:28:07.980 --> 00:28:13.400 Benji Fisher: menus expand on hover. And if I'm just sort of scrolling up and down 307 00:28:13.570 --> 00:28:15.559 Benji Fisher: trying to reach announcements 308 00:28:15.870 --> 00:28:19.620 Benji Fisher: what didn't happen this time. But before the reports 309 00:28:20.740 --> 00:28:22.760 Benji Fisher: state of well, and 310 00:28:22.910 --> 00:28:25.310 Benji Fisher: maybe I had actually clicked on it 311 00:28:26.490 --> 00:28:30.603 Benji Fisher: well, or maybe I just can't see what I was seeing before. But 312 00:28:31.910 --> 00:28:33.100 Benji Fisher: I guess 313 00:28:33.710 --> 00:28:35.830 Benji Fisher: personally, I would prefer 314 00:28:36.170 --> 00:28:39.149 Benji Fisher: expand on click rather than expand on cover. 315 00:28:40.532 --> 00:28:45.049 Benji Fisher: Obviously, that's a debatable point. That's that's not at all clear cut. Go ahead! Seem up. 316 00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:51.360 Simo Hellsten: Yeah, so that's a bit confusing here. According to my test, they 317 00:28:51.470 --> 00:28:53.209 Simo Hellsten: expand on click. 318 00:28:53.870 --> 00:28:56.759 Simo Hellsten: So if you hover on, let's say configuration. 319 00:28:58.486 --> 00:28:59.860 Benji Fisher: Configuration. Yes. 320 00:28:59.860 --> 00:29:01.200 Simo Hellsten: And you'll click it. 321 00:29:02.940 --> 00:29:04.920 Simo Hellsten: Then it goes away, click it again. 322 00:29:06.210 --> 00:29:09.819 Simo Hellsten: and then move your cursor to the right side of the window. 323 00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:17.000 Simo Hellsten: So here and then move back to hover on reports. 324 00:29:18.475 --> 00:29:19.340 Benji Fisher: Ports. 325 00:29:20.060 --> 00:29:22.569 Simo Hellsten: And then move to the right side of the window. 326 00:29:24.500 --> 00:29:26.890 Simo Hellsten: and then move to configuration 327 00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:30.690 Simo Hellsten: over and move through the right side of the window. 328 00:29:31.550 --> 00:29:33.280 Simo Hellsten: So this is a little bit 329 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:37.900 Simo Hellsten: strange, but it's kind of does a couple of different things. 330 00:29:39.050 --> 00:29:42.530 Benji Fisher: Hmm, yeah. So there's some invisible state. Here is what you're saying right? 331 00:29:42.530 --> 00:29:53.349 Simo Hellsten: Yeah, so well, it's not invisible. If you clicked configuration, it has the focus on it, and then it stays open. If you move away, but then it also opens the other ones 332 00:29:54.540 --> 00:29:57.010 Simo Hellsten: when you hover on them. So it's kind of a. 333 00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:00.789 Benji Fisher: Okay, so it's the same visible. It's it's this outline. 334 00:30:00.860 --> 00:30:05.569 Benji Fisher: So currently reports is selected and it will stay open. If I wander. 335 00:30:06.591 --> 00:30:11.369 Simo Hellsten: Yeah, but that's kind of can easily feel in cost conscious, consistent. But it 336 00:30:11.490 --> 00:30:15.609 Simo Hellsten: it works. And also one thing I noted. 337 00:30:15.730 --> 00:30:16.789 Simo Hellsten: And when you're. 338 00:30:17.050 --> 00:30:22.839 Simo Hellsten: It's like there are like, right next to each other, because big enough people. 339 00:30:22.870 --> 00:30:25.260 Simo Hellsten: But it's quite easy to 340 00:30:25.560 --> 00:30:27.829 Simo Hellsten: for myself, at least, to 341 00:30:28.430 --> 00:30:34.610 Simo Hellsten: move a little bit down and to, so that it goes over that next one. So it's kind of 342 00:30:34.790 --> 00:30:36.640 Simo Hellsten: little bit annoying. 343 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:40.039 Simo Hellsten: And also you can't 344 00:30:40.110 --> 00:30:46.420 Simo Hellsten: click to keep it open. You have to click it, to close it and then click it to keep it open again. 345 00:30:46.810 --> 00:30:51.759 Simo Hellsten: So it's also kind of a extra step. So this is a little bit confusing. 346 00:30:52.690 --> 00:31:02.100 Benji Fisher: Yeah, I I also think it's confusing to have one selected and it stays selected as I move to other items, and then other items have the hover state. 347 00:31:02.520 --> 00:31:03.880 Benji Fisher: and 348 00:31:04.330 --> 00:31:08.350 Benji Fisher: and the selected one is not showing at the moment. 349 00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:11.389 Benji Fisher: and if I move away it's still not showing 350 00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:14.190 Benji Fisher: And I 351 00:31:15.110 --> 00:31:18.790 Benji Fisher: I kind of think that that a lot of this confusion would be 352 00:31:19.060 --> 00:31:24.450 Benji Fisher: alleviated if if we had a sip, simpler click to expand 353 00:31:25.270 --> 00:31:27.679 Benji Fisher: behavior. Go ahead, Osir. 354 00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:35.152 Ofer Shaal: I think related, I'm gonna share here a link that this, if you wanna show it on the video 355 00:31:36.410 --> 00:31:42.319 Ofer Shaal: it's Co. I I think it's a name of triangle, navigation or something, and the idea is. 356 00:31:42.540 --> 00:31:44.219 Ofer Shaal: as you see, the red thing. 357 00:31:44.990 --> 00:31:45.640 Benji Fisher: Oh, yes! The. 358 00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.709 Ofer Shaal: Calculated. So you can nicely go to whatever 359 00:31:49.610 --> 00:31:52.259 Ofer Shaal: you want to go to without it's getting close on the way. 360 00:31:52.290 --> 00:31:54.899 Ofer Shaal: So maybe it's something we can 361 00:31:55.130 --> 00:31:56.290 Ofer Shaal: utilize here. 362 00:31:57.342 --> 00:31:58.830 Ralf Koller: It's already utilized here. 363 00:32:00.840 --> 00:32:01.470 Benji Fisher: Really. 364 00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:08.080 Ofer Shaal: When I tested it, felt like it's not. That's why I suggested it. Oh, just this link that was shared here. 365 00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:17.340 Benji Fisher: I I'm not going to try to read that, URL for the recording. It's rather long, numeric string, and 366 00:32:18.270 --> 00:32:20.210 Benji Fisher: on X formally twitter. 367 00:32:22.940 --> 00:32:24.869 Benji Fisher: Scott, do you wanted to say something. 368 00:32:25.230 --> 00:32:34.399 skaught: So I I agree, this looks weird. But maybe this, maybe this should be an option where it's like projective hover option for users that the user could actually say, I want 369 00:32:34.510 --> 00:32:35.710 skaught: predictive hovering. 370 00:32:36.710 --> 00:32:38.000 skaught: but not be the default. 371 00:32:39.520 --> 00:32:40.130 Aaron McHale: Yeah. 372 00:32:40.290 --> 00:32:47.769 Benji Fisher: I think it's also something that could be implemented at the theme level, couldn't it? I'm I'm not sure that needs to be part of the the core functionality. 373 00:32:47.770 --> 00:32:48.410 Aaron McHale: Hmm. 374 00:32:49.530 --> 00:32:50.379 Benji Fisher: Go ahead, Aaron! 375 00:32:50.850 --> 00:32:59.739 Aaron McHale: Well, I was just gonna say, maybe we could take a look at the configuration screen because there is some configuration options, and so that might also help us. Guide this conversation 376 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.740 Aaron McHale: versus Thomas's hand up. So it's. 377 00:33:03.080 --> 00:33:04.099 Benji Fisher: Thomas, go ahead. 378 00:33:05.470 --> 00:33:08.350 Thomas Howell: I was just regarding the 379 00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:14.469 Thomas Howell: like open or expand on hover I had a tendency in menus that 380 00:33:14.600 --> 00:33:29.225 Thomas Howell: personally have frustrated me in the past to move from something so like if if my, if I clicked on the s of structure to select it, and I thought I had that selected. But then I went straight up to block lists, block layout 381 00:33:30.060 --> 00:33:39.449 Thomas Howell: it some like I I wanna just make certain that when we on, not to blocks, but like a diagonal to if you click on go hover on structure again. I'm sorry. 382 00:33:40.210 --> 00:33:59.650 Thomas Howell: And if you went Diagonal street up there, you how you went over to the right and then up, I would have a tendency to just slide straight up, and with the hover behavior. In certain circumstances the menu would collapse before I got to what I was trying to do. So you'd have to go 383 00:33:59.650 --> 00:34:15.920 Thomas Howell: it. It ended up being very tricky, and I just wanna make sure that's not happening now. I'm not accusing or saying that's happening. But I wanna make certain if you clicked reports and you go up to status report diagonally. You're not gonna accidentally hover on something else and change what menu you're going to? Does that make sense. 384 00:34:15.929 --> 00:34:18.749 Benji Fisher: Yeah. So if I want the status report, I can 385 00:34:19.709 --> 00:34:25.689 Benji Fisher: hover or click on on reports, and then I can go right and up and get to the status report. 386 00:34:25.859 --> 00:34:28.809 Benji Fisher: But if I go diagonally I 387 00:34:29.219 --> 00:34:36.219 Benji Fisher: I guess it first closes when I go to people, and then another menu opens, and by the time I get there 388 00:34:36.259 --> 00:34:38.729 Benji Fisher: status reports is is gone. 389 00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:45.840 Thomas Howell: I don't want that kind of behaviour, because that's been problematic for me. 390 00:34:46.080 --> 00:34:51.969 Benji Fisher: And I have to click twice on on reports so hover and then click to close. 391 00:34:52.889 --> 00:34:56.920 Benji Fisher: And now it's not closing. I click, that's very confusing. 392 00:34:59.380 --> 00:35:01.439 Benji Fisher: so let me enable another one 393 00:35:01.520 --> 00:35:05.430 Benji Fisher: hover to open, click, to close, click, to open. 394 00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:07.326 Benji Fisher: And now, 395 00:35:12.510 --> 00:35:16.800 Benji Fisher: somehow stayed open and consistently. Yeah. This 396 00:35:17.450 --> 00:35:22.809 Benji Fisher: I I agree with with Thomas. It would be nice to be able to open it and then have it stay open 397 00:35:23.100 --> 00:35:25.009 Benji Fisher: as I move diagonally. 398 00:35:26.620 --> 00:35:35.270 Benji Fisher: so I I'm beginning to feel more strongly. That click to open would be a better option, but I I think I will now 399 00:35:37.410 --> 00:35:42.559 Benji Fisher: give into what Aaron has been telling me for a while that I should look at the configuration. 400 00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:46.499 Benji Fisher: So where do I find it? Under configuration 401 00:35:47.560 --> 00:35:48.910 Benji Fisher: user interface. 402 00:35:49.240 --> 00:35:54.270 skaught: Yes, navigation blocks and navigation settings. The third one is also are the 2. 403 00:35:55.090 --> 00:36:02.260 Aaron McHale: Oh, so you actually okay, great. You couldn't configure those. Sorry. I just didn't realize that screen was there. That's great. 404 00:36:03.350 --> 00:36:08.429 skaught: Yeah, so the the it comes with the plugin, and these are the 3 custom plugins that will come with it. 405 00:36:09.630 --> 00:36:17.360 Benji Fisher: And just as a quick test does this work the way I expected to? If I drag shortcuts to the bottom, save 406 00:36:17.570 --> 00:36:20.079 Benji Fisher: then, indeed! Shortcuts go down here. 407 00:36:24.660 --> 00:36:27.740 Aaron McHale: That is awesome. I didn't know about that. 408 00:36:28.290 --> 00:36:33.390 Aaron McHale: That's I love that so much cause I've wanted that for a long time for the toolbar 409 00:36:33.580 --> 00:36:37.910 Aaron McHale: that makes me you have no idea how happy I don't know. Like, really like. 410 00:36:38.410 --> 00:36:46.320 Benji Fisher: And and I I also notice there's been there's a very old issue asking to make it configurable. 411 00:36:46.390 --> 00:36:49.110 Benji Fisher: which menu shows up 412 00:36:49.250 --> 00:36:50.699 Benji Fisher: in the toolbar. 413 00:36:51.432 --> 00:36:55.319 Benji Fisher: It's currently hard coded to be the administration menu. 414 00:36:55.450 --> 00:36:59.380 Benji Fisher: and obviously this gives us the choice of 415 00:37:00.368 --> 00:37:03.479 Benji Fisher: adding, or presume will be removing 416 00:37:04.206 --> 00:37:09.100 Benji Fisher: menus if we don't want them like I could disable the administration menu 417 00:37:10.220 --> 00:37:14.907 Aaron McHale: I'm I've been very active on that issue in the past, so I have to say. 418 00:37:15.790 --> 00:37:17.560 Benji Fisher: And then I can re-enable it. 419 00:37:18.100 --> 00:37:18.820 Benji Fisher: Oh. 420 00:37:19.636 --> 00:37:21.050 Benji Fisher: what other? 421 00:37:22.130 --> 00:37:24.810 Benji Fisher: Translate, disable, or remove. 422 00:37:25.830 --> 00:37:26.350 Benji Fisher: and. 423 00:37:26.350 --> 00:37:26.869 Aaron McHale: Yeah, thank, you. 424 00:37:26.870 --> 00:37:27.210 Benji Fisher: Where. 425 00:37:27.210 --> 00:37:33.419 Aaron McHale: No, I was saying, there's there's another configuration screen that you can go to. That has, like other options, I think, as well. 426 00:37:34.350 --> 00:37:36.080 Benji Fisher: Okay, we'll we'll get there. 427 00:37:36.595 --> 00:37:40.050 Benji Fisher: We're only a little more than halfway through the hour. 428 00:37:40.370 --> 00:37:43.210 Benji Fisher: What configuration? There's a title. 429 00:37:49.540 --> 00:37:51.819 Benji Fisher: which is not displayed. Oh, so this is 430 00:37:52.380 --> 00:37:55.580 Benji Fisher: just standard block configuration. 431 00:37:55.980 --> 00:37:59.480 Benji Fisher: So that's just giving me a shortcut to 432 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:06.339 Benji Fisher: the configuration of this block. So this is implemented as a block which is then placed in the region. 433 00:38:06.390 --> 00:38:08.039 Benji Fisher: That's kind of standard 434 00:38:12.060 --> 00:38:13.489 Benji Fisher: and that's a 435 00:38:13.520 --> 00:38:15.889 Benji Fisher: so that's what these configure links are going. 436 00:38:16.329 --> 00:38:22.580 Benji Fisher: Anything else anyone would like to look at on this page before I go to the other configuration page. 437 00:38:23.650 --> 00:38:35.080 Aaron McHale: I'm actually just looking at the that. And I actually, I I don't know if the place navigation Block button should be in should be inside the the table I feel like that should be outside the table. 438 00:38:37.020 --> 00:38:41.829 Aaron McHale: but I'm not sure if that's like a pattern from the block layout. I actually don't remember. 439 00:38:43.990 --> 00:38:46.290 Benji Fisher: yeah, I believe it is. 440 00:38:53.230 --> 00:38:58.430 Benji Fisher: Oh, this is the wrong sort of blocks. I was thinking of. Block layout. 441 00:38:59.200 --> 00:39:00.269 Aaron McHale: Oh, yeah. 442 00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:01.630 Aaron McHale: Elm. 443 00:39:04.370 --> 00:39:06.118 Benji Fisher: So it's not quite the same. 444 00:39:06.755 --> 00:39:07.100 Aaron McHale: Move. 445 00:39:07.100 --> 00:39:10.939 Benji Fisher: Here. The place block is on the same line as the menu name 446 00:39:19.750 --> 00:39:22.560 Benji Fisher: So if it's not consistent with that, then 447 00:39:23.030 --> 00:39:23.990 Benji Fisher: we 448 00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:30.100 Benji Fisher: maybe would you? I guess you you'd rather this be an action link. 449 00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:40.749 Aaron McHale: Yeah. And Ross just posted an issue exactly for that that already exists. So I think as long as if we support that, then we we just add our way behind that that issue, that. 450 00:39:40.750 --> 00:39:47.710 Benji Fisher: Okay, so just for the sake of the recording, this is issue 3, 4, 2, 7, 9, 4 o 451 00:39:48.449 --> 00:39:53.759 Benji Fisher: make place navigation block, a primary button and move it right before the table. 452 00:39:54.586 --> 00:40:00.769 Benji Fisher: I would say, an action link rather than primary button, but that can obviously be debated 453 00:40:00.810 --> 00:40:02.199 Benji Fisher: on this issue. 454 00:40:08.860 --> 00:40:12.100 Benji Fisher: Anything else on this configuration page? Go ahead, Ralph. 455 00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:14.379 Ralf Koller: Just one 456 00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:19.719 Ralf Koller: question what everyone else's opinion is about the following detail. 457 00:40:19.810 --> 00:40:25.939 Ralf Koller: As you can see, you have content administration shortcuts right here available. But 458 00:40:27.180 --> 00:40:30.540 Ralf Koller: could you click, for example, the place Navigation block button? 459 00:40:34.040 --> 00:40:43.959 Ralf Koller: Because if you notice on the list, you have only 3 blocks available. But at the bottom, you still have that help and the username. 460 00:40:43.990 --> 00:40:53.350 Ralf Koller: And if you take an hour, look and the list of available buttons blocks to post, you have for one the user account menu and the user 461 00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:57.119 Ralf Koller: you're able to place. And 462 00:40:57.240 --> 00:41:04.900 Ralf Koller: what everyone's opinion is about that, because for me, it's sort of confusing. I've always really opened an issue in that regard. But 463 00:41:05.220 --> 00:41:06.130 Ralf Koller: what's 464 00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:08.550 Ralf Koller: your choice would be because 465 00:41:09.200 --> 00:41:11.030 Ralf Koller: for one, you have 2 different 466 00:41:11.120 --> 00:41:16.300 Ralf Koller: blocks available in the context of user, and you don't not necessarily 467 00:41:16.470 --> 00:41:22.880 Ralf Koller: know which one is the block that is used in the tuber more or less 468 00:41:23.490 --> 00:41:25.630 Ralf Koller: directly, without any 469 00:41:26.500 --> 00:41:29.309 Ralf Koller: implicit implicitly used. Yeah. 470 00:41:29.650 --> 00:41:30.800 Ralf Koller: The word I searched for. 471 00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:37.129 Benji Fisher: So yeah, content administration and shortcuts. Content is presumably 472 00:41:37.420 --> 00:41:38.340 Benji Fisher: this. 473 00:41:39.910 --> 00:41:45.899 Benji Fisher: this is administration and shortcuts. And then we we have help. And 474 00:41:46.340 --> 00:41:55.280 Benji Fisher: oh, yes. Someone asked early on whether this would go to the the made administration page. But that's the the name of the currently logged in user Admin 475 00:41:57.560 --> 00:42:00.170 Benji Fisher: and these these links seem to be there. 476 00:42:00.686 --> 00:42:02.510 Benji Fisher: Not part of this 477 00:42:05.040 --> 00:42:06.710 Benji Fisher: this page. And then. 478 00:42:08.780 --> 00:42:10.077 Benji Fisher: yeah, I guess. 479 00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:13.969 Benji Fisher: let's actually place these and have a look at them. 480 00:42:15.330 --> 00:42:18.520 Benji Fisher: I'll display the title. Just so it's easier to 481 00:42:22.940 --> 00:42:24.350 Benji Fisher: recognize them. 482 00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:34.020 Benji Fisher: So 483 00:42:34.330 --> 00:42:37.039 Benji Fisher: so the user block is this thing that's 484 00:42:37.080 --> 00:42:40.889 Benji Fisher: automatically added at the bottom and user Count Menu. 485 00:42:43.750 --> 00:42:47.160 Benji Fisher: It's my account to log out which are 486 00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:50.900 Benji Fisher: similar to these options. 487 00:42:56.420 --> 00:42:57.689 Benji Fisher: go ahead, Scott. 488 00:42:59.270 --> 00:43:05.089 skaught: It's funny because we're placing only things in the top item in the top section, but we can't place them in the bottom section. 489 00:43:07.020 --> 00:43:09.779 Benji Fisher: Yes, and you also can't remove it from the bottom section. 490 00:43:11.710 --> 00:43:13.050 Benji Fisher: The end health should happen. 491 00:43:14.210 --> 00:43:16.840 skaught: Menu task. Then it's not clear that it's part of the 492 00:43:17.040 --> 00:43:18.560 skaught: that specific Plugin. 493 00:43:19.420 --> 00:43:21.476 Benji Fisher: Like. So so maybe 494 00:43:22.530 --> 00:43:23.999 Benji Fisher: we apparently have 495 00:43:24.330 --> 00:43:26.690 Benji Fisher: 2, maybe 3 regions here. 496 00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:32.140 Benji Fisher: and and maybe we should have the option to control what cares in each region. 497 00:43:33.980 --> 00:43:45.169 Aaron McHale: Yeah, I was gonna say that. And then if we do have that, then it does make sense to have like use the layer, the pattern from block there, where you have the the each region with the button. So either. 498 00:43:45.620 --> 00:43:53.619 Aaron McHale: I guess what it we're saying is, either the the place navigation block button should move to be a a local 499 00:43:53.810 --> 00:43:54.850 Aaron McHale: action 500 00:43:55.150 --> 00:44:07.999 Aaron McHale: the same way you would have like on the content list, or whatever, or if we're gonna have more than one region. Then we should follow the pattern that's used with block layout, and we have each region with a button for placing in that region 501 00:44:08.240 --> 00:44:10.549 Aaron McHale: next to the region in 502 00:44:11.220 --> 00:44:11.990 Aaron McHale: right. 503 00:44:12.340 --> 00:44:13.120 Benji Fisher: Thomas. 504 00:44:14.408 --> 00:44:28.019 Thomas Howell: I I don't. This may have been what Ralph said, or someone else has already said, but when you click on the Place navigation block. Here my brain kept on misinterpreting what I was seeing. 505 00:44:28.090 --> 00:44:39.059 Thomas Howell: as I was thinking, that where it says category menus, this was telling me which of these blocks were being used in the menu 506 00:44:39.220 --> 00:44:51.950 Thomas Howell: to the left, to to what I was physically seeing. I I'm having trouble differentiating with the information available. Between which of these things are already in use. 507 00:44:53.980 --> 00:44:56.970 Thomas Howell: and which of these things are not already in use? 508 00:44:57.170 --> 00:44:59.420 Benji Fisher: Right. I was going to bring that up, too. 509 00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:03.109 Benji Fisher: that it. 510 00:45:04.680 --> 00:45:07.209 Benji Fisher: If we already have 5 here. 511 00:45:08.007 --> 00:45:09.619 Benji Fisher: It would be 512 00:45:09.740 --> 00:45:14.040 Benji Fisher: useful to have some indication of which ones are already being used here. 513 00:45:14.856 --> 00:45:22.949 Benji Fisher: On the other hand, this is very close, but not exactly the same as the interface for placing blocks. 514 00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:28.770 Benji Fisher: and I think it should either be more similar or more different. 515 00:45:29.380 --> 00:45:36.439 Benji Fisher: I also wonder whether we can place things in the navigation regions directly from here. 516 00:45:37.344 --> 00:45:42.210 Benji Fisher: And I don't see it. So this is not. This is not a theme region. 517 00:45:43.279 --> 00:45:43.790 Benji Fisher: I 518 00:45:44.010 --> 00:45:46.710 Benji Fisher: guess the way it's structured is that this 519 00:45:47.770 --> 00:45:54.400 Benji Fisher: is its own block with its own sub regions. And that's why it doesn't show up in the standard 520 00:45:54.530 --> 00:45:56.260 Benji Fisher: block placement screen. 521 00:45:56.590 --> 00:45:57.780 Benji Fisher: Go ahead, Ralph. Yeah. 522 00:45:57.780 --> 00:45:58.460 Aaron McHale: Good. 523 00:46:00.921 --> 00:46:02.890 Ralf Koller: Erin, first quickly and then I don't. 524 00:46:02.890 --> 00:46:13.450 Aaron McHale: No, I was just gonna I, yeah, I was gonna basically just to clarify that. So like, yeah, because this appears in both the admin and the front end it is, it works independent of the theme, as does the current toolbar and 525 00:46:13.780 --> 00:46:18.699 Aaron McHale: other things like the off canvas tray. So just not to confuse it with emergence, basically. 526 00:46:19.200 --> 00:46:23.189 Benji Fisher: Yes, I go to the homepage still there. Yes, good point. 527 00:46:23.790 --> 00:46:24.810 Benji Fisher: Go ahead, Ralph. 528 00:46:25.180 --> 00:46:37.400 Ralf Koller: Just one brief addition. I've added another link to an issue that deals basically about the topics we talked right now, just 1 point to make. I made these same 529 00:46:37.450 --> 00:46:39.550 Ralf Koller: observation in regards 530 00:46:40.040 --> 00:46:48.550 Ralf Koller: you're unable to see which blocks are already placed. But Christina pointed out at the moment, it is sort of intentional that you're able to 531 00:46:49.700 --> 00:46:54.970 Ralf Koller: at the same block X number of times meaning you. Theoretically, you could add 532 00:46:55.100 --> 00:46:57.930 Ralf Koller: administration 4 4 times. For example. 533 00:46:57.970 --> 00:47:08.799 Ralf Koller: that way. Yeah, I have added 2 suggestions to that issue, how to handle it, either if it just should be added one time disable 534 00:47:09.200 --> 00:47:22.580 Ralf Koller: or remove the block and replace it with just a label. And the other option is basically, if there is the option to edit several times, add a false column saying that blog is already added 1, 2, or 3 times. 535 00:47:23.010 --> 00:47:24.869 Ralf Koller: for whatever reason it's necessary. 536 00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:30.809 Benji Fisher: Okay. So for the sake of the recording, this issue is 3, 4, 3, 8, 7, 8, 9. 537 00:47:31.620 --> 00:47:33.060 Benji Fisher: And you're 538 00:47:33.380 --> 00:47:35.649 Benji Fisher: discussing several of the things we've 539 00:47:35.720 --> 00:47:36.820 Benji Fisher: already brought up. 540 00:47:41.410 --> 00:47:43.319 Benji Fisher: and go ahead, Simo. 541 00:47:44.030 --> 00:47:46.989 Simo Hellsten: Yeah. One thing I notice is that that 542 00:47:47.670 --> 00:47:48.870 Simo Hellsten: content? 543 00:47:49.609 --> 00:47:53.110 Simo Hellsten: Block on the menu, it's not exactly the same 544 00:47:53.380 --> 00:48:01.429 Simo Hellsten: that you can add when you place a new block. Because if you use, let's say, German language 545 00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:04.870 Simo Hellsten: site interface, then you 546 00:48:05.523 --> 00:48:09.659 Simo Hellsten: when with the navigation menu you get that content block 547 00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:12.200 Simo Hellsten: the Content Content 548 00:48:12.510 --> 00:48:16.420 Simo Hellsten: navigation block. But if you place navigation block 549 00:48:16.620 --> 00:48:19.410 Simo Hellsten: the one from the view it's called alt. 550 00:48:19.500 --> 00:48:21.200 Simo Hellsten: So there is a 551 00:48:21.490 --> 00:48:23.459 Simo Hellsten: it's kind of there is something 552 00:48:23.580 --> 00:48:31.570 Simo Hellsten: with the translation. So it uses different different translation, maybe because that comes from a kind of a 553 00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:34.652 Simo Hellsten: the 1 one. 554 00:48:35.640 --> 00:48:36.520 Simo Hellsten: Title 555 00:48:36.940 --> 00:48:39.450 Simo Hellsten: comes from navigation. 556 00:48:39.860 --> 00:48:45.659 Simo Hellsten: Oh, comes from the menu name that has been translated, and then the other one doesn't. So it's 557 00:48:46.130 --> 00:48:48.900 Simo Hellsten: with translations, is a little bit confusing. 558 00:48:49.520 --> 00:48:50.700 Simo Hellsten: Before that. 559 00:48:50.700 --> 00:48:54.900 Benji Fisher: Oh, okay, so so first of all, your audio is a little bit choppy. 560 00:48:55.350 --> 00:48:57.690 Benji Fisher: Secondly. 561 00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:00.669 Benji Fisher: let's see if we can 562 00:49:02.580 --> 00:49:09.969 Benji Fisher: look at what you're talking about here. So this is Umami. So we have 2 languages. 563 00:49:10.210 --> 00:49:11.419 Benji Fisher: and and what 564 00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.909 Benji Fisher: I should go to place Navigation Block now, or should I. 565 00:49:17.500 --> 00:49:20.680 Simo Hellsten: change. The user interface to Spanish. 566 00:49:21.910 --> 00:49:22.480 Benji Fisher: Oh! 567 00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:24.990 skaught: And German or Spanish, to you, to the active one. 568 00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:26.280 skaught: back to sleep. 569 00:49:28.500 --> 00:49:30.970 Benji Fisher: She's a mommy. So we have 570 00:49:32.110 --> 00:49:41.750 Benji Fisher: Spanish by default, and I don't see any translation. So I guess that means that the module itself doesn't have translations yet. 571 00:49:43.430 --> 00:49:44.930 skaught: Like strings are finalized. 572 00:49:45.570 --> 00:49:46.260 skaught: Right? 573 00:49:49.340 --> 00:49:51.700 Benji Fisher: But if I were going to go to 574 00:49:55.160 --> 00:49:58.810 Benji Fisher: this is the Spanish version of block layout, and 575 00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:07.146 Benji Fisher: there must be something I'm doing wrong here. 576 00:50:10.350 --> 00:50:11.580 Benji Fisher: That. 577 00:50:14.610 --> 00:50:17.020 Ralf Koller: If you could go to configuration, language. 578 00:50:22.010 --> 00:50:23.460 Ralf Koller: region, region! And. 579 00:50:23.460 --> 00:50:24.480 Benji Fisher: General, yeah. 580 00:50:25.450 --> 00:50:26.690 Ralf Koller: And then language. 581 00:50:27.770 --> 00:50:30.090 Ralf Koller: and then go detection and selection. 582 00:50:33.730 --> 00:50:37.119 Ralf Koller: If the first is checked, then go to the Admin user. 583 00:50:39.830 --> 00:50:40.500 Benji Fisher: Here. 584 00:50:40.500 --> 00:50:41.849 Ralf Koller: Yeah, edit profile 585 00:50:43.890 --> 00:50:45.199 Ralf Koller: and scroll down 586 00:50:45.380 --> 00:50:50.009 Ralf Koller: and administration page language, there's no preference and set it to Spanish. 587 00:51:08.200 --> 00:51:08.870 Benji Fisher: And 588 00:51:09.140 --> 00:51:12.989 Benji Fisher: this page still isn't translated. As we said, the strings haven't been 589 00:51:13.070 --> 00:51:14.910 Benji Fisher: finalized. But this 590 00:51:20.560 --> 00:51:23.739 Benji Fisher: most other pages do have translations. 591 00:51:25.270 --> 00:51:34.749 Benji Fisher: So then, getting back to this. We are looking at the Spanish okay. The these column headers have now been translated. 592 00:51:35.130 --> 00:51:37.899 Benji Fisher: Menus and navigation have been translated. 593 00:51:39.067 --> 00:51:43.290 Benji Fisher: Oddly place, navigation block has not been translated. 594 00:51:44.518 --> 00:51:48.349 Benji Fisher: The names of the blocks have been translated. 595 00:51:48.650 --> 00:51:53.510 Benji Fisher: Okay, so, Sima, what what is it you're saying is or is not being translated? 596 00:51:53.750 --> 00:51:54.850 Simo Hellsten: I think at 597 00:51:54.870 --> 00:51:56.590 Simo Hellsten: that, when you have this 598 00:51:57.330 --> 00:52:01.909 Simo Hellsten: I would. My Spanish is not very good, but I think this quantito 599 00:52:02.030 --> 00:52:03.690 Simo Hellsten: is probably content. 600 00:52:03.940 --> 00:52:06.210 Simo Hellsten: So if you place that navigation block. 601 00:52:11.610 --> 00:52:12.959 Benji Fisher: Display the title. 602 00:52:20.560 --> 00:52:23.049 Simo Hellsten: Yeah, so we can see that it's the same 603 00:52:24.278 --> 00:52:26.552 Simo Hellsten: same content with that 604 00:52:27.980 --> 00:52:31.450 Simo Hellsten: Navigation book content. But it has just different name. 605 00:52:31.600 --> 00:52:32.669 Simo Hellsten: So here it 606 00:52:32.950 --> 00:52:35.430 Simo Hellsten: that kind of that default 607 00:52:35.810 --> 00:52:39.430 Simo Hellsten: blocks are not translated, but it has the same content. 608 00:52:40.200 --> 00:52:41.229 Ralf Koller: It's kind of. 609 00:52:41.230 --> 00:52:51.150 Simo Hellsten: Different instance of the same, but one of them is translated, and the title, and the other one not but the content of those menus is using the same language. 610 00:52:54.210 --> 00:52:59.549 Benji Fisher: Okay. So here in the sidebar, I say, see, Prior, keep those. That's the same thing. 611 00:52:59.770 --> 00:53:01.560 Benji Fisher: Same links I see here. 612 00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:03.904 Benji Fisher: I see that twice. 613 00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:07.690 Benji Fisher: it's a 614 00:53:09.540 --> 00:53:12.030 Benji Fisher: confusing this has shift 615 00:53:12.720 --> 00:53:15.850 Benji Fisher: shows that shortcuts should be in between the 2. 616 00:53:16.180 --> 00:53:17.790 Aaron McHale: You haven't saved the page. 617 00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:25.950 Benji Fisher: Okay, thank you. Okay. So shortcuts is at the top. 618 00:53:26.350 --> 00:53:28.493 Benji Fisher: And now that I saved the page. 619 00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:29.480 skaught: Crush it. 620 00:53:30.890 --> 00:53:31.450 skaught: these. 621 00:53:31.450 --> 00:53:33.140 Benji Fisher: Let's say, content. 622 00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:37.629 Simo Hellsten: It updated that that name 623 00:53:38.070 --> 00:53:40.590 Simo Hellsten: that updated the translations 624 00:53:41.690 --> 00:53:44.360 Simo Hellsten: only after save navigation blocks. 625 00:53:45.780 --> 00:53:47.049 Simo Hellsten: In this list. 626 00:53:48.150 --> 00:53:51.889 Benji Fisher: Okay? So I I guess the point is then that 627 00:53:52.210 --> 00:53:54.539 Benji Fisher: when I submit this form. 628 00:53:55.876 --> 00:53:57.129 Benji Fisher: when I 629 00:53:59.120 --> 00:54:01.179 Benji Fisher: submit one of these forms 630 00:54:01.370 --> 00:54:02.340 Benji Fisher: that 631 00:54:02.510 --> 00:54:08.730 Benji Fisher: it's incompletely updating. I guess this is highlighted because it hasn't been saved yet. 632 00:54:15.020 --> 00:54:16.640 Simo Hellsten: But it appears on that 633 00:54:17.590 --> 00:54:20.090 Simo Hellsten: navigation bar already 634 00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:21.180 Simo Hellsten: right? So. 635 00:54:21.180 --> 00:54:23.009 Benji Fisher: Between the 2 contents 636 00:54:23.780 --> 00:54:26.890 Benji Fisher: we have, whatever this is node ad 637 00:54:28.370 --> 00:54:29.050 skaught: See him 638 00:54:29.210 --> 00:54:31.120 skaught: and save message with this sort of thing. 639 00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:33.599 Benji Fisher: So it it. It looks as though. 640 00:54:33.670 --> 00:54:37.859 Benji Fisher: you know an attempt has been made to update the page 641 00:54:37.930 --> 00:54:39.290 Benji Fisher: immediately. 642 00:54:40.642 --> 00:54:43.240 Benji Fisher: So this already shows up here. 643 00:54:43.870 --> 00:54:50.029 Benji Fisher: but I haven't saved it, and if I just refresh the page at this point was going to go away. 644 00:54:50.890 --> 00:54:52.199 Benji Fisher: No, it's still there. 645 00:54:53.720 --> 00:54:58.319 Benji Fisher: If I force reload the page. It's still there. 646 00:55:04.190 --> 00:55:07.540 Benji Fisher: And when I click, save it's no longer highlighted. 647 00:55:08.560 --> 00:55:11.490 Benji Fisher: So there's something a little confusing going on there. 648 00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:32.970 Aaron McHale: Did we? If there, assuming there's another feedback here, maybe worth taking a look at the I think there's another configuration screen that's maybe worth looking at. 649 00:55:33.460 --> 00:55:35.046 Benji Fisher: Yeah. Ralph. 650 00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:37.830 Ralf Koller: Just one brief 651 00:55:38.790 --> 00:55:44.930 Ralf Koller: detail. Could you quickly go into one of those blocks and click configure? Just one question. 652 00:55:45.150 --> 00:55:46.060 Ralf Koller: will you all 653 00:55:46.940 --> 00:55:47.620 Ralf Koller: first. 654 00:55:47.620 --> 00:55:48.710 Benji Fisher: Content, block. 655 00:55:48.710 --> 00:55:52.090 Ralf Koller: Oh, but maybe oh, maybe we should switch back to English. 656 00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:55.760 Benji Fisher: paying. 657 00:56:03.090 --> 00:56:05.820 Ralf Koller: I guess you have to go into the admin edit profile. 658 00:56:07.520 --> 00:56:08.450 Benji Fisher: Yes. 659 00:56:12.066 --> 00:56:14.570 Benji Fisher: same problem we were 660 00:56:16.540 --> 00:56:18.250 Benji Fisher: talking about before. 661 00:56:21.670 --> 00:56:23.619 Ralf Koller: And set it to English, English. 662 00:56:27.130 --> 00:56:30.670 Benji Fisher: Let me set it back to the default, which is no preference. 663 00:56:33.710 --> 00:56:37.110 Ralf Koller: And if you take a look and expand the menu levels. 664 00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:42.860 Ralf Koller: I'm curious if that is clear or not 665 00:56:43.050 --> 00:56:44.040 Ralf Koller: to everyone. 666 00:56:48.520 --> 00:56:52.400 Benji Fisher: I believe this is the standard configuration of a menu block. 667 00:56:53.080 --> 00:56:56.409 Benji Fisher: although it's a navigation block, not a menu block. 668 00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:14.969 Benji Fisher: So let's see 669 00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:20.369 Benji Fisher: what happens when I 670 00:57:20.470 --> 00:57:22.160 Benji Fisher: change the initial 671 00:57:24.010 --> 00:57:30.119 Benji Fisher: level to 2. So this is the one that does have the title continue, though. 672 00:57:33.230 --> 00:57:34.630 Ralf Koller: And I was still in Spanish. 673 00:57:36.110 --> 00:57:36.950 Ralf Koller: Oh, typical. 674 00:57:36.950 --> 00:57:40.167 Simo Hellsten: When you click save and navigation blocks now with the like 675 00:57:41.883 --> 00:57:42.710 Benji Fisher: Somehow I. 676 00:57:44.080 --> 00:57:47.289 Simo Hellsten: If you just click save save navigation blocks. 677 00:57:48.990 --> 00:57:50.130 Simo Hellsten: No, it doesn't. 678 00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:50.990 Ralf Koller: Oh! 679 00:57:58.260 --> 00:58:00.120 Benji Fisher: let me clear caches 680 00:58:01.480 --> 00:58:02.710 Benji Fisher: of this. 681 00:58:02.810 --> 00:58:05.090 Benji Fisher: Yeah, this is the the amounti. 682 00:58:07.410 --> 00:58:11.027 Aaron McHale: I think. This might be because the 683 00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:22.620 Aaron McHale: the title is in configuration, and so the values there at the time when you saved it last were in Spanish, possibly maybe something to do with that 684 00:58:24.010 --> 00:58:24.680 Aaron McHale: hint. 685 00:58:25.420 --> 00:58:27.659 Aaron McHale: And I know there's like. 686 00:58:29.258 --> 00:58:31.471 Aaron McHale: I see there's translations. But yeah. 687 00:58:32.110 --> 00:58:34.119 Benji Fisher: This. This looks like a bug to me. 688 00:58:34.120 --> 00:58:34.810 Ralf Koller: Yep. 689 00:58:35.180 --> 00:58:36.370 Ralf Koller: yep, yep. 690 00:58:41.530 --> 00:58:44.884 Benji Fisher: I I don't know how we got into this situation. But 691 00:58:47.020 --> 00:58:51.370 Benji Fisher: there, there's something buggy with with the translation of of this configuration. 692 00:58:51.370 --> 00:58:52.130 Ralf Koller: Yep. 693 00:58:56.510 --> 00:58:59.440 Ralf Koller: Yeah, let's move to the other. Then, maybe 694 00:58:59.970 --> 00:59:03.769 Ralf Koller: course, and whatever or if you're able to look at it now 695 00:59:04.080 --> 00:59:04.870 Ralf Koller: in English. 696 00:59:06.580 --> 00:59:10.349 Benji Fisher: Let's go back to your your site, which is multilingual. 697 00:59:10.841 --> 00:59:15.479 Benji Fisher: And and one thing I I would like to try again 698 00:59:15.640 --> 00:59:16.920 Benji Fisher: is 699 00:59:17.420 --> 00:59:19.580 Benji Fisher: the initial visibility level. 700 00:59:20.650 --> 00:59:21.550 Benji Fisher: It's 701 00:59:22.120 --> 00:59:24.840 Benji Fisher: already set to 2. 702 00:59:26.455 --> 00:59:29.570 Benji Fisher: What if I set it to 4. 703 00:59:31.890 --> 00:59:40.019 Aaron McHale: Yeah, so again. But it's it's kind of legacy thing, because for the admin administration is the only 704 00:59:40.030 --> 00:59:44.080 Aaron McHale: one first level link. Everything else is like Second Level and below. 705 00:59:46.350 --> 00:59:48.769 Benji Fisher: Okay? And and if I were to 706 00:59:49.760 --> 00:59:52.769 Benji Fisher: make the initial visibility Level 707 00:59:52.830 --> 00:59:57.070 Benji Fisher: one, then I would just have a single link for administration. 708 00:59:58.940 --> 01:00:01.230 Benji Fisher: and if I set it to 2. 709 01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:08.849 Benji Fisher: That's what I normally see. 710 01:00:09.990 --> 01:00:11.970 Benji Fisher: And if I set it to 3 711 01:00:19.010 --> 01:00:21.330 Benji Fisher: that I get this rather overwhelming. 712 01:00:27.210 --> 01:00:29.750 Benji Fisher: Okay? So some someone had asked whether 713 01:00:29.870 --> 01:00:33.269 Benji Fisher: I think Ralph asked whether those options were clear. 714 01:00:35.660 --> 01:00:39.709 Benji Fisher: yeah, I personally think that if they're not totally clear they're 715 01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:45.380 Benji Fisher: and it's easy to do the test that I just did and figure out what they're doing. 716 01:00:46.100 --> 01:00:49.240 Benji Fisher: So let's see, user interface. 717 01:00:50.200 --> 01:00:56.220 Benji Fisher: And in in in this sub menu, I do click to expand. It doesn't expand on hover. 718 01:00:59.610 --> 01:01:01.200 Aaron McHale: Yes, the foundation is. 719 01:01:01.200 --> 01:01:03.640 Benji Fisher: Settings. So this is the second one. 720 01:01:06.180 --> 01:01:32.138 Aaron McHale: Yeah. And this is something Christia was asking about around this global settings. And also like, there's the show top bar. It's experimental. But I don't think we have time. Maybe. Also look at that next week. Cause that's a whole different thing. But one thing that was asking, and we also got like 5 min left is is about like. So the local options that controls the the little drupal thing you see in the very top left. And that's what this is. 721 01:01:32.850 --> 01:01:34.380 Aaron McHale: there for. 722 01:01:50.830 --> 01:01:53.255 Benji Fisher: That that's a little large. 723 01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:02.997 Aaron McHale: I mean, Ralph was just saying, Chad, that the top bar has basically no functionality. Which 724 01:02:03.890 --> 01:02:09.690 Aaron McHale: I yeah, I don't know if the iteration I saw and was different because it had more things when 725 01:02:10.144 --> 01:02:13.450 Aaron McHale: we were testing it. But maybe it's been things have been taken up 726 01:02:16.390 --> 01:02:23.030 Aaron McHale: that actually doesn't look like it's even showing right now. So I don't know if Ralph is that. Do you know, or Scott, do you like 727 01:02:23.210 --> 01:02:24.470 Aaron McHale: the first slide is like. 728 01:02:25.410 --> 01:02:28.180 Ralf Koller: It's only showing on a few pages. Not all at the moment. 729 01:02:28.180 --> 01:02:30.400 Aaron McHale: Oh, yeah, so. 730 01:02:30.613 --> 01:02:31.039 Ralf Koller: Context, so. 731 01:02:31.040 --> 01:02:32.220 Aaron McHale: For instance, yeah. 732 01:02:32.220 --> 01:02:33.939 Ralf Koller: Tech, sensitive, and 733 01:02:34.250 --> 01:02:37.160 Ralf Koller: but still it has no real function. 734 01:02:43.260 --> 01:02:47.500 Aaron McHale: Yeah, I think if you go, Benji, if you go to a piece of content, you'll see it appear now. 735 01:02:47.570 --> 01:02:50.622 Aaron McHale: So if you go to like the content and then select 736 01:02:51.780 --> 01:02:53.509 Aaron McHale: yeah, go to the 737 01:02:53.850 --> 01:02:56.340 Aaron McHale: something. Yeah, there it is. 738 01:02:56.900 --> 01:03:00.060 Aaron McHale: So we have the spear actions. Yeah. 739 01:03:00.690 --> 01:03:01.430 Benji Fisher: Okay. 740 01:03:04.190 --> 01:03:05.870 Benji Fisher: like the local 741 01:03:05.990 --> 01:03:06.600 Benji Fisher: tasks. 742 01:03:06.600 --> 01:03:33.000 Aaron McHale: Yeah, the I. The idea is like moving. It's we're kind of experimenting with, like moving the local tasks out of the piece of content. And then what the idea is like. If you click in there, go to edit, you'll see. It. It tries to address a problem where, like, when you're going between the front end and the admin interface, the local tasks shift around, depending on the theme. And so this is trying to provide some kind of like more consistent experience 743 01:03:33.220 --> 01:03:37.819 Aaron McHale: for going between the different you know the edit and the view and other things. 744 01:03:39.040 --> 01:03:41.139 Benji Fisher: Okay, but we we are running 745 01:03:41.660 --> 01:03:43.399 Benji Fisher: towards the end of the hour. 746 01:03:44.056 --> 01:03:50.440 Benji Fisher: There actually wasn't all that much configuration on that second configuration screen. 747 01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:52.530 Aaron McHale: So I thought there was more. But 748 01:03:53.277 --> 01:04:20.949 Aaron McHale: one final thing. Oh, sorry. Just one final thing that we haven't looked at just just. It's a very small thing that in the bottom left there's a button to collapse and expand the toolbar and realize we're it's like, right in the bottom. Yeah. So we're out of time. But one thing people might want to look at is when it's in the collapse, do you? How does it? You know. How do people feel about it? Do those icons make sense? Is it still usable? You know all that kind of stuff? And obviously we didn't have time to touch on up to date, but might be something to touch on in the future. 749 01:04:21.730 --> 01:04:26.555 Simo Hellsten: Another thing we didn't look at was that how that behaves in mobile size. 750 01:04:27.460 --> 01:04:28.490 Benji Fisher: Okay. Ralph. 751 01:04:28.700 --> 01:04:33.299 Ralf Koller: Yeah, that I wanted also to say that you get a top bar with Mobile. There's also another 752 01:04:33.420 --> 01:04:35.170 Ralf Koller: detail, the note. Yep. 753 01:04:35.350 --> 01:04:37.320 Ralf Koller: what Semo said. Basically, yep. 754 01:04:38.040 --> 01:04:44.731 Benji Fisher: Okay. So I think the the 2 things that I think are pretty clear are that 755 01:04:46.070 --> 01:04:51.940 Benji Fisher: I think that it should be click to expand rather than hover, to expand. 756 01:04:52.976 --> 01:04:56.540 Benji Fisher: And there seems to be something wrong with the translations. 757 01:04:56.952 --> 01:05:03.609 Benji Fisher: I'm getting a thumbs up from Aaron. Does everyone agree that that it should be clicked to expand. 758 01:05:05.050 --> 01:05:05.590 Ralf Koller: Hmm. 759 01:05:05.590 --> 01:05:09.599 Simo Hellsten: I think it could be configurable. But default, click to expand. 760 01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:13.200 Benji Fisher: Okay? And Ralph's. 761 01:05:15.450 --> 01:05:27.360 Ralf Koller: I'm drawn between click to expand, has less buggy behavior and mitigates a few problems, but hover like 762 01:05:27.620 --> 01:05:30.039 Ralf Koller: Brandon at the Tripodrie yesterday said. 763 01:05:30.070 --> 01:05:32.567 Ralf Koller: if you take a look at admin toolbar 764 01:05:32.950 --> 01:05:42.909 Ralf Koller: due to the fact that you have a horizontal tuba, and you're able to hover through and don't have those negative papers like here. It's way more 765 01:05:43.100 --> 01:05:46.330 Ralf Koller: in air quotes power user like. And 766 01:05:48.060 --> 01:05:49.509 Ralf Koller: I'm not sure what the 767 01:05:49.720 --> 01:05:53.169 Ralf Koller: best solution is yet. And but it definitely needs some discussion. 768 01:05:53.460 --> 01:05:55.970 Ralf Koller: And yeah, I'm also plus one for a config. 769 01:05:57.060 --> 01:06:01.026 Benji Fisher: Okay. And I think Thomas and and Aaron also had the thumbs up for. 770 01:06:01.580 --> 01:06:02.440 Aaron McHale: I can click like. 771 01:06:02.440 --> 01:06:05.169 Benji Fisher: To default. Yeah, I'm I'm happy to 772 01:06:05.820 --> 01:06:10.659 Benji Fisher: add a configuration option. But I think the default should be click to expand. 773 01:06:11.500 --> 01:06:24.319 Aaron McHale: I think that's one thing that would consider like user preference, though. So not necessarily. Maybe, like, you know, something that you can configure in the user settings, I think, would be because it's routed. It might be depending on the users, preferences, and behaviors. 774 01:06:27.070 --> 01:06:28.360 Benji Fisher: Yes, that's 775 01:06:31.820 --> 01:06:34.580 Benji Fisher: so. That would be adding something else to the 776 01:06:34.590 --> 01:06:35.980 Benji Fisher: user 777 01:06:36.310 --> 01:06:37.140 Benji Fisher: page. 778 01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:40.730 Benji Fisher: Kind of 779 01:06:42.190 --> 01:06:46.799 Benji Fisher: funny that when I reload the page the 780 01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:50.270 Benji Fisher: highlighting here goes away. But 781 01:06:52.770 --> 01:06:57.539 Benji Fisher: okay, I shouldn't introduce new point things at this point. Go ahead, Ralph. 782 01:06:57.540 --> 01:07:08.170 Ralf Koller: Aside the 2 points you've mentioned. Is there an agreement about the 2 issues I've shared, and with the addition for the place block issue 783 01:07:08.230 --> 01:07:11.684 Ralf Koller: to basically make the distinguishment between. 784 01:07:12.300 --> 01:07:14.870 Ralf Koller: If you have sections, then 785 01:07:14.980 --> 01:07:24.600 Ralf Koller: place the block. Place a block in a button like the block layout page, and if there aren't sections, then move it as an action item. 786 01:07:25.610 --> 01:07:27.449 Ralf Koller: That was the consensus. I've heard. 787 01:07:28.470 --> 01:07:29.210 Ralf Koller: Okay. 788 01:07:30.150 --> 01:07:39.440 Benji Fisher: Thumbs up from Aaron and Thomas. Yeah, yeah. And I think I said earlier that it should either be more like the Blockland page, or less like it. 789 01:07:39.630 --> 01:07:40.310 Ralf Koller: Okay. 790 01:07:40.835 --> 01:07:41.360 Benji Fisher: Scott! 791 01:07:42.790 --> 01:07:44.100 skaught: So sorry. Just bad click. 792 01:07:44.750 --> 01:07:45.070 Benji Fisher: Okay. 793 01:07:47.210 --> 01:07:50.239 Benji Fisher: So thumbs up on on the navigation box. 794 01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:55.185 Benji Fisher: Okay, thanks all. We're a couple of minutes over 795 01:07:55.780 --> 01:07:58.070 Benji Fisher: And and yeah, maybe we'll have 796 01:07:58.380 --> 01:08:01.780 Benji Fisher: another look at this next week, or, if if not, next week, then soon. 797 01:08:03.610 --> 01:08:04.296 Aaron McHale: Thanks. Everyone. 798 01:08:04.640 --> 01:08:06.259 Ralf Koller: And I comment on the issue. 799 01:08:06.830 --> 01:08:07.600 Benji Fisher: Thanks. Ronfire. 800 01:08:08.140 --> 01:08:11.878 Thomas Howell: Thanks, Benji, thanks for all for writing. Thanks everyone. Bye, bye. 801 01:08:12.190 --> 01:08:12.950 Ralf Koller: Weekend.