87 00:12:25.470 --> 00:12:38.820 Benji Fisher: Welcome, this is the drupal usability meeting for March 18 2022 I am benji Fisher moderating and also here are Christina extremists and sharing their screen and we'll start off the discussion. 88 00:12:39.540 --> 00:12:56.490 Benji Fisher: Aaron mchale Andre Pedrosa Antonia Kimberly amaral Marina Ralph color and Thomas how and for for everyone else on the meeting keep in mind if you have an issue you'd like to bring up. 89 00:12:57.030 --> 00:13:11.400 Benji Fisher: um we'll probably have time after discussing this one, so be be prepared to speak up and as always i'll keep an eye on the chat so if you'd like to make any comments there. 90 00:13:11.850 --> 00:13:29.490 Benji Fisher: If it's easier for you to type rather than speak i'll read them into the recording for you and and also if if you have issues you'd like to discuss feel free to paste them in there, so we can be ready when we're finished with this topic Christina go ahead. 91 00:13:31.050 --> 00:13:40.050 Cristina Chumillas: Okay, so um let's see, I would like to like to talk about two things are related one related to the other. 92 00:13:41.220 --> 00:13:43.110 Cristina Chumillas: One would be for. 93 00:13:44.250 --> 00:13:57.630 Cristina Chumillas: The dashboard that we've discussed, I think, several times i'm not sure if, in the meeting, but with a lot of people and the other foreign specific menu for content editors all of them is related to the. 94 00:13:59.100 --> 00:14:00.030 Cristina Chumillas: meal. 95 00:14:01.740 --> 00:14:05.220 Cristina Chumillas: Content editor role that was created a while ago. 96 00:14:06.630 --> 00:14:13.950 Cristina Chumillas: It has been described discuss for sure in this meeting, and these basically created the new. 97 00:14:15.180 --> 00:14:27.180 Cristina Chumillas: role by default that it's called content editor and there is a follow up issue to create a content manager role so in theory we're going to happen in your role at some point in the future. 98 00:14:28.710 --> 00:14:45.900 Cristina Chumillas: So coming back to the features that ideally this new content editor or role will let us, let us have in drupal one of them was on one side, creating a dashboard so when you log in into drupal you're done. 99 00:14:47.250 --> 00:15:03.150 Cristina Chumillas: You are not just redirects to to your user page, but you are going to a place where you have more meaningful content like content that you've created content that you work with. 100 00:15:04.350 --> 00:15:09.000 Cristina Chumillas: And we can come up with what is going to be in that like. 101 00:15:09.030 --> 00:15:09.930 Cristina Chumillas: Short gods. 102 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.500 Benji Fisher: or Chris Christina for the sake of the recording can you. 103 00:15:13.500 --> 00:15:14.040 Cristina Chumillas: Oh yeah i'm. 104 00:15:14.580 --> 00:15:16.080 Cristina Chumillas: Sorry, the number. 105 00:15:17.190 --> 00:15:28.170 Cristina Chumillas: The number of the issue that i'm talking about right now is 3059986 that's a Meta issue to. 106 00:15:29.730 --> 00:15:40.320 Cristina Chumillas: discuss possible features related to the specific know our role on the standard profile the content editor and. 107 00:15:41.460 --> 00:15:47.820 Cristina Chumillas: The Meta issue right now, it only has that creating the role itself but. 108 00:15:49.080 --> 00:16:00.990 Cristina Chumillas: The dashboard is one of the things that we discuss that would ideally benefit a lot of people probably a dashboard that is there are role like for the admin Google have several. 109 00:16:01.560 --> 00:16:11.850 Cristina Chumillas: Different content on that dashboard and for the content editor probably will have a deal and that's something that we have to discuss. 110 00:16:12.900 --> 00:16:20.730 Cristina Chumillas: So that's one, and then the other thing that I will like to discuss after the dashboard is an idea not sure if. 111 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:31.320 Cristina Chumillas: Some of you already jumped from this idea is the creation of a new menu, that is a specific for content creation ah, I really. 112 00:16:31.980 --> 00:16:43.020 Cristina Chumillas: Content editors or content managers, because the toolbar is really useful for our main site builders, but it's not useful at all for a content editor and we've also discussed several times that. 113 00:16:43.860 --> 00:16:57.870 Cristina Chumillas: Information architecture that we have in there is prepare for site building it's not that's not prepare for a continental or something similar, so those are the two things so The first one is to talk about. 114 00:16:59.010 --> 00:17:02.010 Cristina Chumillas: The dashboard i'm gonna try to. 115 00:17:03.300 --> 00:17:03.990 Cristina Chumillas: submit. 116 00:17:05.520 --> 00:17:16.050 Cristina Chumillas: Above for drupal con North America are one month or something like that, so if you are there, please come and help me organizing that. 117 00:17:16.800 --> 00:17:29.760 Cristina Chumillas: And yeah so ideally what I will be ideal from here is our first half sing off of other people that things that will be useful, that will mean to create an issue. 118 00:17:30.600 --> 00:17:48.360 Cristina Chumillas: For that, and then discuss which features, we should have in there and, obviously, if you think that's useful or not, as a background, there was a module called dashboard or i'm not sure if it was a module or a feature, but it didn't go forward, because. 119 00:17:49.590 --> 00:17:58.110 Cristina Chumillas: There wasn't content that goes meaningful for the for the for the users at that point, nobody came up with enough. 120 00:17:59.970 --> 00:18:03.840 Cristina Chumillas: ideas are they be as where i'm good enough at that time to create. 121 00:18:05.190 --> 00:18:12.600 Cristina Chumillas: Something in there, because obviously it's super different for an admin and for a content editor so i'm going to shut up and let's see who jumps in then. 122 00:18:13.890 --> 00:18:16.200 Cristina Chumillas: stole some ideas or opinions, what do you think. 123 00:18:18.540 --> 00:18:19.020 Thomas Howell: I love it. 124 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:38.430 Thomas Howell: I think there's a ton of things that we can discuss I don't it almost feels like it would be good to have a 30 or 60 minute brainstorming session with people who are just kind of obsessed with this in particular. 125 00:18:39.870 --> 00:18:47.550 Thomas Howell: And it would it might be helpful to do it in the context of looking at the current drupal nine or. 126 00:18:48.630 --> 00:19:01.020 Thomas Howell: 10 ui and I can give an example that's it easier for me to think about if I were looking at the at the actual current interface, one of the things that a content editor. 127 00:19:04.110 --> 00:19:05.700 Thomas Howell: Does is. 128 00:19:07.500 --> 00:19:10.290 Thomas Howell: If they needed to send something back. 129 00:19:11.970 --> 00:19:19.740 Thomas Howell: So, so the content editor was one role and the other one was the content administrator was it or what do we call the other. 130 00:19:19.740 --> 00:19:21.570 Cristina Chumillas: role content manager. 131 00:19:21.840 --> 00:19:22.650 Thomas Howell: Content manager. 132 00:19:24.810 --> 00:19:26.430 Thomas Howell: It would be nice if. 133 00:19:28.110 --> 00:19:39.630 Thomas Howell: There was some sort of interplay between the content manager and the content editor but there's a lot of stuff that may not be valid for the content editor. 134 00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:48.090 Thomas Howell: Though the features are really critical until you have a content manager and I think we've not committed content manager yet Is that correct. 135 00:19:48.990 --> 00:19:49.530 Cristina Chumillas: that's correct. 136 00:19:50.070 --> 00:19:53.670 Thomas Howell: Okay, so maybe what i'm talking about is premature. 137 00:19:55.290 --> 00:20:04.800 Thomas Howell: But there's definitely like an entire missing space for how to have a content manager and a content editor interact. 138 00:20:06.390 --> 00:20:07.590 Thomas Howell: That even metadata. 139 00:20:09.150 --> 00:20:15.840 Thomas Howell: But there, there are things that would be really, really cool to see because, in the context of doing those two things. 140 00:20:17.130 --> 00:20:28.470 Thomas Howell: there's a lot of behaviors that my in the past, my content editors would have engaged in, and so I would talk about it in the context of those two roles. 141 00:20:29.550 --> 00:20:30.390 Thomas Howell: Now i'm going to shut up. 142 00:20:39.180 --> 00:20:47.160 Cristina Chumillas: feel free to just jump in and say I, like it or I don't like it that somebody valuable opinion and. 143 00:20:47.820 --> 00:20:50.850 Benji Fisher: Diversity Aaron is raised his hand so. 144 00:20:51.810 --> 00:20:52.170 Sorry. 145 00:20:53.190 --> 00:20:53.730 Cristina Chumillas: I don't have. 146 00:20:54.780 --> 00:21:11.910 Aaron McHale: No that's that's okay I I obviously i'm a i've been particularly fans of these these issues and I theorized as to how we might implement a dashboard know em using existing core tools, because. 147 00:21:12.360 --> 00:21:19.020 Aaron McHale: If we remember back to the days, where we had the dashboard in drupal sex report was a baby drupal seven I don't remember exactly which one. 148 00:21:19.320 --> 00:21:32.850 Aaron McHale: It was all pretty much a custom implementation that I can remember, maybe and some had some dependencies but no, we have things like layer builder and core and that would be a perfect way to build a dashboard with very little. 149 00:21:34.050 --> 00:21:43.740 Aaron McHale: Like maintenance overhead so we're core, I think, is in a place that I work where this is a perfect opportunity to reconsider having a dashboard and. 150 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:59.130 Aaron McHale: Not just for that, but for all the reasons that having that would benefit the the content editor kind of manager roles, so I am, of course, a huge fan of these ideas, I think we, I agree with Thomas actually done the point of like some kind of. 151 00:22:00.420 --> 00:22:10.500 Aaron McHale: brainstorming ideation paper sessions, but not, you know around the menu proposals and the dashboard to really figure out, what are the key. 152 00:22:11.250 --> 00:22:20.430 Aaron McHale: And what are the pain points, for you know these kinds of rules, what are they what are they and what's the information that they really need access to. 153 00:22:21.390 --> 00:22:28.830 Aaron McHale: Not just in the dashboard but also in the menus and and of course we're This is something we can do with with. 154 00:22:29.760 --> 00:22:40.140 Aaron McHale: You know, we don't we don't we're not dependent on on how far forward these things are in court, because there is something some other issues that we need to land, particularly before the. 155 00:22:40.620 --> 00:22:49.920 Aaron McHale: consecration menu proposal could land, but we can do these things as the groundwork and and put them in you know get older you do that background, research, so I think. 156 00:22:50.340 --> 00:23:06.660 Aaron McHale: Absolutely think this is something that we should be should be pursued and yeah I think that's probably yeah good ideas to try and get a group of people together that would want to contribute they're making sure that it's a you know representative group of people. 157 00:23:09.900 --> 00:23:18.600 Benji Fisher: and offer and Antonia and Marina have all chimed in in the chat that they liked the idea and Ralph you've raised your hand. 158 00:23:19.380 --> 00:23:21.840 Ralf Koller: yep I also. 159 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:24.480 Ralf Koller: love the idea and just. 160 00:23:25.590 --> 00:23:27.000 Ralf Koller: Also to aaron's point. 161 00:23:30.570 --> 00:23:34.080 Ralf Koller: Provide with a dashboard a possibility to, for example. 162 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:48.720 Ralf Koller: Keep the content editor in loop about content, he or she has created and or requires attention, for example, if the node has changed. 163 00:23:49.860 --> 00:24:01.620 Ralf Koller: The one of the content editors has created, for example, or in the context of content moderation and workflows module if, for example, something new gets in. 164 00:24:02.730 --> 00:24:14.340 Ralf Koller: which requires an action those things might be very useful and to keep the content editor as well as the content manager in control and. 165 00:24:15.420 --> 00:24:15.660 Ralf Koller: An. 166 00:24:16.860 --> 00:24:22.320 Ralf Koller: oversight and able to monitor everything in their. 167 00:24:24.450 --> 00:24:25.230 Ralf Koller: responsibility. 168 00:24:29.460 --> 00:24:31.050 Ralf Koller: I I have. 169 00:24:31.770 --> 00:24:33.420 Thomas Howell: accidentally you have your hand up so. 170 00:24:34.590 --> 00:24:35.220 Benji Fisher: yeah. 171 00:24:35.310 --> 00:24:38.130 Benji Fisher: um so I saw. 172 00:24:39.870 --> 00:24:47.310 Benji Fisher: A couple of years ago I think at a drupal camp, or maybe a triple come a presentation on some dashboards module. 173 00:24:48.900 --> 00:24:50.280 Benji Fisher: doctor I can find which one. 174 00:24:51.420 --> 00:24:52.140 Benji Fisher: and 175 00:24:53.340 --> 00:25:01.920 Benji Fisher: When I saw that presentation, I thought gee you, you could do a lot of this with layout builder you don't need an extra module this can all be done with core. 176 00:25:04.830 --> 00:25:12.150 Benji Fisher: And the blog posts in a link to the content planner module maybe that's what I was thinking of um. 177 00:25:13.560 --> 00:25:25.590 Benji Fisher: And if you, you know, create blocks with views and then you position the blocks with layout builder you can do a lot of it and. 178 00:25:26.670 --> 00:25:30.450 Benji Fisher: yeah thanks Christina for for sharing that that that might not be what I was thinking of. 179 00:25:31.470 --> 00:25:32.160 Benji Fisher: um. 180 00:25:33.540 --> 00:25:35.640 Benji Fisher: However, um. 181 00:25:37.140 --> 00:25:45.270 Benji Fisher: This requires layout builder which Aaron already mentioned um and what were some of the things that. 182 00:25:46.290 --> 00:25:47.700 Benji Fisher: That that Ralph mentioned. 183 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:50.130 Benji Fisher: Content moderation. 184 00:25:52.230 --> 00:26:10.740 Benji Fisher: All of that says to me the i'm not the standard profile, but the mommy profile and I think that's where we should start, we already have content moderation enabled in mommy we already have layout builder we already have sample content. 185 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:23.400 Benji Fisher: um, so I think that the dashboard should be implemented first and new mommy DEMO profile and add some unpublished articles and recipes to the content on the site. 186 00:26:25.290 --> 00:26:35.310 Benji Fisher: And then add some users or I guess there, there may already be the users, we need with content editor and content manager roles. 187 00:26:35.820 --> 00:26:48.360 Benji Fisher: And and give them their dashboards and I think that that'll be a better way to get started, because you mommy is sort of focused and we know what the site is about, we can build a dashboard there. 188 00:26:49.260 --> 00:26:57.810 Benji Fisher: it'll be a lot easier and it'll fit in a lot better than than doing it in the standard profile um and. 189 00:27:00.660 --> 00:27:02.880 Benji Fisher: Who next offer you haven't spoken yet. 190 00:27:04.410 --> 00:27:07.620 Ofer Shaal: But i'm third in the in the list here but okay. 191 00:27:09.360 --> 00:27:19.320 Ofer Shaal: I just want to say one of the maintain is over money will be happy to help get it in faster, whenever possible, I do know that there has been a thing with mommy. 192 00:27:19.980 --> 00:27:24.930 Ofer Shaal: The people try keeping things that are not officially released away from a mommy. 193 00:27:25.620 --> 00:27:33.630 Ofer Shaal: I think it's time we change that then i'll be I think this is also another great opportunity like mommy before tried to be more stable, in that way. 194 00:27:34.080 --> 00:27:43.890 Ofer Shaal: Of like it doesn't even have clarion because Clara wasn't released officially so things like that, where I think mommy can become, maybe even have. 195 00:27:44.430 --> 00:27:54.720 Ofer Shaal: You know, a next version of a mommy where he chose what's upcoming what is possible, even if it's still in the making its kind of stable enough to to show people what's. 196 00:27:55.380 --> 00:28:06.090 Ofer Shaal: What is coming, and how to use different things, I even learned yesterday, something new about specifically on that content moderation what's possible thanks to what was in a mommy. 197 00:28:08.370 --> 00:28:08.880 Ofer Shaal: Okay. 198 00:28:09.300 --> 00:28:10.620 Benji Fisher: Aaron, what do you want to say. 199 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:12.510 Aaron McHale: yeah I think i'm. 200 00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:24.540 Aaron McHale: Sorry sort of Lee of your point actually there's there was a recent triple con and it was European 2018 2020 rather there was. 201 00:28:26.190 --> 00:28:31.590 Aaron McHale: I think there was a presentation about the idea of urgency, adding a dashboard. 202 00:28:32.070 --> 00:28:48.660 Aaron McHale: They created a module which is going to link to there's I don't think much has been done on it, but what you might find is that there is some some people in the in the gin theme community, and in that slack channel that would be interested and also contributing to this. 203 00:28:50.670 --> 00:28:51.570 Aaron McHale: and 204 00:28:52.620 --> 00:28:57.870 Aaron McHale: So I think that's a That would be a workflow group to also reach out to them, we might need are. 205 00:28:58.470 --> 00:29:16.230 Aaron McHale: The idea of I think what you bet risk, as mentioned by benji and and an offer raises an interesting point that there's been some hesitancy to include modules in the standard profile and maybe also you mommy. 206 00:29:18.270 --> 00:29:25.860 Aaron McHale: You know the ones that are core modules like their daughter like workflows your content moderation until they're soft feel like they're ready. 207 00:29:26.340 --> 00:29:33.570 Aaron McHale: And this is more of a product manager question, I suppose, but I think, rather than the ux one, I think we, we need to sort of. 208 00:29:34.080 --> 00:29:44.760 Aaron McHale: Get maybe get past that point of like once a module feels like it's ready even maybe it still has some outstanding problems, but that doesn't mean we I don't think that means we shouldn't. 209 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:51.360 Aaron McHale: You know block putting it in in standard or umami just because this new some outstanding issues. 210 00:29:52.170 --> 00:30:01.740 Aaron McHale: it's I think it's better to get it in in front of people and we get more value by having these things, maybe slightly unfinished able then standard or money. 211 00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:11.190 Aaron McHale: You know there's more value to people and having the bear that not having been there, I think, obviously very dependent on on the issues that we're talking about, but just in general I think there's been a bit. 212 00:30:11.790 --> 00:30:27.600 Aaron McHale: hesitant, sometimes in that regard also a note that i'm listed as a maintainer for that module I think that was only because I said something insightful at one point and theorize an idea, you can implement this I haven't actually done anything with that so. 213 00:30:29.340 --> 00:30:30.000 Ofer Shaal: same here. 214 00:30:32.430 --> 00:30:33.240 Ofer Shaal: This discussion. 215 00:30:33.270 --> 00:30:36.330 Ofer Shaal: A few months ago and yeah I guess created this page. 216 00:30:38.070 --> 00:30:42.240 Aaron McHale: I did theorize the I theorized that we could do it, and I think actually you would need. 217 00:30:42.930 --> 00:30:52.800 Aaron McHale: You might need a module at least a basic module just to create the entity type that would support the dashboard didn't have layer builder build on top, because you probably need like the customer to say. 218 00:30:53.070 --> 00:30:59.880 Aaron McHale: Okay that's not really for this this meeting to discuss that but just to say it probably wouldn't be as simple as just configuration. 219 00:31:01.020 --> 00:31:02.340 Benji Fisher: Okay, and let me just. 220 00:31:03.420 --> 00:31:04.740 Benji Fisher: Read in some of the comments. 221 00:31:04.740 --> 00:31:12.960 Benji Fisher: From chat Ralph mentioned that the content planner module and that's content underscore planner that Christina showed us a few minutes ago. 222 00:31:13.650 --> 00:31:29.370 Benji Fisher: That module goes more into the direction of an editorial calendar, but definitely useful parts in that module and Christina points out that, once we have a dashboard each module could contribute or place its own block for the dashboard dashboard. 223 00:31:30.420 --> 00:31:38.370 Benji Fisher: It could be started as contribute modules um yeah I think just if it's modules provide blocks, we. 224 00:31:40.170 --> 00:31:49.170 Benji Fisher: We already know how to position block season layout builder um I still don't think we need an additional module, but I should. 225 00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:58.620 Benji Fisher: I shouldn't say so much of my own opinions um and he gets a plus one to using umami for previews and so does Ralph. 226 00:31:59.670 --> 00:32:19.110 Benji Fisher: i'm Aaron posted the link to the gym dashboard which we were looking at a minute ago and Ralph asks hasn't Sasha posted a screenshot of the dashboard mock up a few weeks ago in one talk about the future of gin and he found it is that the link you're looking at now. 227 00:32:20.610 --> 00:32:20.850 Benji Fisher: Yes. 228 00:32:21.630 --> 00:32:22.020 Benji Fisher: Thank you. 229 00:32:22.140 --> 00:32:22.770 Cristina Chumillas: It is. 230 00:32:24.570 --> 00:32:26.130 OK so. 231 00:32:27.300 --> 00:32:30.690 Benji Fisher: um Those are all the comments go ahead, Thomas. 232 00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:37.170 Thomas Howell: Okay, so, since this is a Meta issue i'm going to be a little more Wild West with my comments at this point. 233 00:32:38.850 --> 00:32:41.700 Thomas Howell: The first thing i'd say is going back to an old. 234 00:32:43.980 --> 00:32:56.160 Thomas Howell: I guess point that Aaron and I have agreed on and that's I think we're getting close to time for new profiles being part of core drupal and I think that. 235 00:32:57.360 --> 00:33:01.950 Thomas Howell: The starting place for this type of work absolutely belongs in. 236 00:33:02.970 --> 00:33:15.390 Thomas Howell: mommy because that gives people a place where they can really use it and give feedback on something that they may not necessarily understand how to use because it's a new it's kind of a new working paradigm. 237 00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:25.950 Thomas Howell: And I would not put it into standard initially because it may be too big and bulky like it may be too much for most standard use cases. 238 00:33:26.220 --> 00:33:35.040 Thomas Howell: But I think that it would make sense for us to start discussing a content editorial profile, something that really takes what umami is doing well. 239 00:33:35.460 --> 00:33:47.130 Thomas Howell: And and really makes that something that you can get out of the box very easily while still having a default thinner standard profile that people can count on so that's my first opinion. 240 00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:54.330 Thomas Howell: The second thing is for quite some time, I felt like aqui it has. 241 00:33:55.980 --> 00:34:14.130 Thomas Howell: drupal and i'm going to get burned by my friends for that um so drupal has had a tendency of thinking that the node creator is the same thing as the author of a note, and so I would suggest that we consider. 242 00:34:15.540 --> 00:34:19.110 Thomas Howell: The word author and how we use that and how. 243 00:34:19.140 --> 00:34:21.600 Thomas Howell: With now the fact that we have content editor and. 244 00:34:21.720 --> 00:34:26.370 Thomas Howell: we're talking about a content manager is, is there a way to make certain that. 245 00:34:27.390 --> 00:34:31.860 Thomas Howell: we're easily differentiating content, like the author. 246 00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:44.520 Thomas Howell: field and making certain it's part of the expected drupal node experience or content experience versus the person who's entering it into the system, who is the initial editor or the initial creator. 247 00:34:45.060 --> 00:34:51.570 Thomas Howell: And I can understand there's a lot of arguments against that I just think this is a good time for it to be discussed. 248 00:34:52.830 --> 00:34:59.010 Thomas Howell: To kind of move away from those things, so I think that's everything, other than I love the putting it into mommy I think. 249 00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:14.010 Thomas Howell: We want to get it in front of people and touching these things and seeing how it works, because standard isn't the place that you want to be opinionated and we can be opinionated about this, these new features in umami in a way that helps people give us feedback. 250 00:35:18.420 --> 00:35:28.140 Ofer Shaal: I think it's an interesting idea, because the way I understood what was try what we're trying to achieve with your mommy and perhaps it's time to change that. 251 00:35:29.460 --> 00:35:30.120 Ofer Shaal: Was. 252 00:35:31.140 --> 00:35:36.870 Ofer Shaal: mommy shows you everything you can do with core by itself without adding additional modules. 253 00:35:37.710 --> 00:35:52.020 Ofer Shaal: Still expectation week, if I have your mommy I can get it from core and I think, with the recent editor addition that also what happened, meaning, it was decision, we should have that drupal we put it in standard we put it. 254 00:35:52.500 --> 00:36:03.690 Ofer Shaal: In umami as well, but perhaps there would be baby, the way to achieve that is some kind of creating a special who mommy next or where you know. 255 00:36:04.170 --> 00:36:11.850 Ofer Shaal: On one hand, where things are stable with mommy and everything that was released and the other one is what's coming into mommy. 256 00:36:12.540 --> 00:36:27.600 Ofer Shaal: As long as these things become stabilized and maybe that's where we can add like a profile that you don't get with standard, but if we get good responses, and this is what people like or after comments and feedback, then it becomes more efficient. 257 00:36:32.970 --> 00:36:33.960 Benji Fisher: Okay, and. 258 00:36:34.110 --> 00:36:43.230 Benji Fisher: offer also posted a link to the dashboards project which is built on layout builder and that's where you're seeing the shortlist now Eric go ahead. 259 00:36:44.100 --> 00:36:46.410 Aaron McHale: yeah I think so a couple of things. 260 00:36:47.490 --> 00:36:57.660 Aaron McHale: On my just to know my earlier point where I said, you might need like a customer type that was first specific implementation I theorize for like users could help their own custom dashboards. 261 00:36:58.260 --> 00:37:04.140 Aaron McHale: I actually I think you could do this, all with just existing like you could have like content I that's called dashboard. 262 00:37:04.380 --> 00:37:18.480 Aaron McHale: You can make it so you can like create a piece of content item that's the dashboard and usually a building blocks, and that would be a really simple way of doing it as like an am almost like an mvp you could do it in new mommy and just. 263 00:37:19.530 --> 00:37:23.130 Aaron McHale: You know, see see where we get with it, that would be a really great starting point. 264 00:37:25.140 --> 00:37:32.220 Aaron McHale: A bit of weight or drupal context, there is a lot of discussion going on around the rules of profiles and distributions generally. 265 00:37:32.700 --> 00:37:43.020 Aaron McHale: And, particularly with respect to project browser and the idea that potentially and i've been a champion of this idea as well that the the ideas. 266 00:37:43.770 --> 00:37:48.240 Aaron McHale: You know what why in the installer why don't we expose. 267 00:37:48.990 --> 00:38:01.170 Aaron McHale: profiles distributions whatever from the wider community like commerce kickstart or whatever and and in a way, also the whole role of a proper distribution could be changing to be a lot more like. 268 00:38:02.160 --> 00:38:09.030 Aaron McHale: You could install like commerce kickstart but then you could go ahead and install something else on top of that, like. 269 00:38:10.050 --> 00:38:15.660 Aaron McHale: thunder or you know the whole so they're working in mind that context there, I think, but. 270 00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:34.380 Aaron McHale: You know these these kind of things could be started in Cork and trip and we might find that, eventually, and you know profiles in core become standard maybe because we all together because, like it may be that we don't need it, but yeah some wider context there. 271 00:38:36.390 --> 00:38:39.660 Benji Fisher: I think, in the past when we've talked about the additional. 272 00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:50.880 Benji Fisher: Core profiles Christina has pointed out that that's a significant maintenance burden and and perhaps the way to start is to have some. 273 00:38:52.080 --> 00:38:52.680 Benji Fisher: contribute. 274 00:38:53.910 --> 00:38:59.790 Benji Fisher: profiles that are maintained by people who are active and core and. 275 00:39:01.170 --> 00:39:08.430 Benji Fisher: And once they evolved and stabilized and prove that they are maintained consider bringing them into core go ahead Christina. 276 00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:29.790 Cristina Chumillas: yeah basically are just want to try to grab up a little bit what you all were saying, which I think is really, really interesting especially about the discussion about what goes into standards and what not and. 277 00:39:31.230 --> 00:39:31.890 Cristina Chumillas: I don't want to. 278 00:39:33.690 --> 00:39:41.700 Cristina Chumillas: go into technical implementations but I mean i've created several i've been on several client projects where where we. 279 00:39:43.140 --> 00:39:52.920 Cristina Chumillas: had different ways of creating this dashboard and sometimes it was through a Bo and then, what if you don't need that bill, I mean there are a lot of different implementations. 280 00:39:53.160 --> 00:39:54.510 Cristina Chumillas: But I will try to focus. 281 00:39:54.600 --> 00:40:07.500 Cristina Chumillas: On what R Thomas said about going crazy with features and sometimes that belongs to your mommy and I totally agree on that bar. 282 00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:22.260 Cristina Chumillas: I think this will be the smaller and simpler implementation for a dashboard and having that, like the last created content for the current user or something that that will be. 283 00:40:24.390 --> 00:40:37.560 Cristina Chumillas: Would I would say not complicated thing to implement and that gold already improved what we have in core without actually going crazy with features so. 284 00:40:39.510 --> 00:40:41.670 Cristina Chumillas: yeah try trying to wrap up a little bit. 285 00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:46.230 Cristina Chumillas: I think first we need to decide. 286 00:40:47.250 --> 00:41:02.910 Cristina Chumillas: what's the context, meaning if we are to spoken about umami if we are talking about the standard or other profiles and that should be accommodated before jumping into our above or any other discussion for that. 287 00:41:04.410 --> 00:41:11.040 Cristina Chumillas: and ideally another, on the other side, we will open this discussion to the whole community with either. 288 00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:27.330 Cristina Chumillas: Ideas or just that issue itself, where people can jump in and come with a DS because i'm pretty sure there's a lot of people with ideas and one more thing I think it could be good to have to have some background about what has been done before, because there has been. 289 00:41:28.650 --> 00:41:39.330 Cristina Chumillas: Different dashboards over the time and now that you are sharing means there are different projects already existing in there, so I think. 290 00:41:40.080 --> 00:41:51.960 Cristina Chumillas: Those three things first the microphone second the context and Sir what features, I think, both are the three of them are things that we should try to. 291 00:41:52.890 --> 00:42:12.060 Cristina Chumillas: Clear our list the two main ones what's the background and what's the context to be defined previous other big meetings about that, because our wise Irvine to expand one hour or two hours or of both both without actually knowing which are the limits of. 292 00:42:13.200 --> 00:42:14.820 Cristina Chumillas: Where we want to implement that. 293 00:42:23.490 --> 00:42:33.990 Cristina Chumillas: So next steps, if you think that's okay i'm gonna just create these issue i'm going to share that on the US channel and. 294 00:42:35.640 --> 00:42:44.250 Cristina Chumillas: What do you think we'll do like it to be Meta issue where we can later spin up things for you are there you mommy profile or a. 295 00:42:46.740 --> 00:42:47.520 Cristina Chumillas: Standard profile. 296 00:42:49.590 --> 00:42:49.800 Cristina Chumillas: and 297 00:42:50.160 --> 00:42:52.170 Ofer Shaal: I think is a good idea, and I think. 298 00:42:52.470 --> 00:43:03.540 Ofer Shaal: Some of these there's like other Meta discussions of going to come through this of what goes to be when that like more bigger decisions that would be part of making this happen. 299 00:43:09.540 --> 00:43:20.970 Cristina Chumillas: Okay next step i'm gonna create that then post the issue in the in the US channel, and I have the manual. 300 00:43:22.890 --> 00:43:34.260 Cristina Chumillas: eaten, but maybe someone else wants to discuss something else instead of majors getting all the meeting with the content editor things, unless I leave a space to someone else. 301 00:43:35.640 --> 00:43:38.280 Cristina Chumillas: Some other issues mature if you're on Dr. 302 00:43:39.570 --> 00:43:45.570 Benji Fisher: I think at least one person at the blooms joined since the start of the meeting. 303 00:43:47.550 --> 00:43:50.460 Benji Fisher: To go and offer we hear anything extra. 304 00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:55.770 Benji Fisher: Would would anyone like to bring up a different issue. 305 00:43:57.570 --> 00:43:59.670 Cristina Chumillas: On the I think you said something about so far. 306 00:44:01.140 --> 00:44:01.800 Cristina Chumillas: I know you better. 307 00:44:04.230 --> 00:44:04.620 Cristina Chumillas: Okay. 308 00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:06.120 Benji Fisher: And Andy declines. 309 00:44:07.980 --> 00:44:10.290 Cristina Chumillas: Okay, so anybody else. 310 00:44:12.660 --> 00:44:13.260 Benji Fisher: i'm. 311 00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:19.290 Benji Fisher: Also, on the question of following up to the discussion here. 312 00:44:20.310 --> 00:44:23.640 Benji Fisher: I suggested that we might have some additional. 313 00:44:25.230 --> 00:44:36.930 Benji Fisher: profiles maintained and contribute by people who are active in core now the mommy profile is explicitly labeled as experimental and you're not supposed to use it for real site. 314 00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:51.450 Benji Fisher: um maybe we could start with a contrived profile that's based on new mommy and has a lot of the same features probably doesn't have the same starter content arm. 315 00:44:52.410 --> 00:45:03.600 Benji Fisher: And doesn't have that warning that you're not supposed to use it Is there anyone on this meeting who'd be willing to start that and the maintainer of such a profile. 316 00:45:09.450 --> 00:45:10.020 Aaron McHale: I. 317 00:45:11.160 --> 00:45:11.580 Aaron McHale: don't. 318 00:45:13.980 --> 00:45:21.000 Aaron McHale: want to be careful when I say this because i'm not sure if I have the time to commit to maintaining, but I have often theorized. 319 00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:43.260 Aaron McHale: That a blog focused profile would be a really great addition, and there may be some out there, but more one that like your mommy showcases how frankly easy it is to set up a blog site with drupal and gives you a good starting point, like say wordpress does. 320 00:45:44.490 --> 00:45:46.500 Aaron McHale: preserve was one of those really good. 321 00:45:47.850 --> 00:46:00.210 Aaron McHale: It you know you could create a blog with drupal in but you know, probably half hour just using out of the box component things like views content types, you know, etc, so. 322 00:46:01.230 --> 00:46:12.840 Aaron McHale: that's something I think is potentially a missing piece that would actually work really well and i'm not suggesting that we use that as a test bed for. 323 00:46:13.350 --> 00:46:26.130 Aaron McHale: These experimental ideas I still think mommy is a really great place to experiment with something like this dashboard idea with minimal impact, especially if it's considered experimental still that it makes it even easier for us to just. 324 00:46:27.390 --> 00:46:41.760 Aaron McHale: want to say to rather than just throw something in like a dashboard but that would be one that I think I even mentioned it to dress a drupal con once and he seemed intrigued by the idea of a blogging profile. 325 00:46:43.200 --> 00:46:43.410 Aaron McHale: The. 326 00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:49.590 Thomas Howell: challenge with a blogging profile is that most blogs are for a single editor. 327 00:46:50.640 --> 00:46:57.150 Thomas Howell: And so it would be I guess cool to see the single user experience or the single. 328 00:46:57.390 --> 00:47:06.540 Thomas Howell: site owner experience, but for me what shines about content editor really is an organization, where you have. 329 00:47:08.310 --> 00:47:23.820 Thomas Howell: In reality, three or more content creators coexisting in the same space and then eventually having a content manager, but you just having at least three people who each maintain their own set of content, within a common space. 330 00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:34.470 Aaron McHale: I think those are really use his for like team blogs like we do that a lot of university, we have a lot of team blogs, so you could still get that I think, with a blog and. 331 00:47:34.530 --> 00:47:34.830 Then. 332 00:47:36.270 --> 00:47:51.480 Thomas Howell: The way I would approach it then is the use case of how do we create a team blogging site where you expect different people to be maintaining content within that team blog because that may result in different decisions and how you want to approach the ui. 333 00:47:52.380 --> 00:48:00.750 Aaron McHale: Right and we often work in a way, if they're writing where you have one person between lead rating and other person who's like reviewing and maybe adding things in. 334 00:48:02.250 --> 00:48:05.760 Aaron McHale: And, much like you would do with code contributions I suppose. 335 00:48:07.530 --> 00:48:08.790 Benji Fisher: So Aaron you're not thinking. 336 00:48:08.790 --> 00:48:14.040 Benji Fisher: of a single person blog you're thinking already has several contributors. 337 00:48:14.700 --> 00:48:22.410 Aaron McHale: I think you could I mean you certainly could there's nothing stopping you see this hypothetical profile there's nothing stopping you using a single person, but I think it. 338 00:48:22.830 --> 00:48:37.350 Aaron McHale: yeah there is an element of like I think I like Thomas said and there's an element of being able to showcase that you could use this for a single site blog but this also works really well drupal would also work really well in the context of a. 339 00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:53.100 Aaron McHale: blog where there's multiple people, and you can then we can then showcase you know workflows content moderation, or you know you maybe Maybe those things aren't as necessary, with a blog but it gives us that opportunity to showcase these other roles and other other elements. 340 00:48:54.300 --> 00:48:56.310 Benji Fisher: And Andy asks in the chat is the. 341 00:48:56.310 --> 00:48:59.370 Benji Fisher: Standard profile not already kind of a personal blog. 342 00:49:01.560 --> 00:49:15.690 Benji Fisher: And I think he has a good point there is that if it's a one person site, then you don't need content moderation and already have the article and basic page content types in the standard profile, maybe that's enough for a blog. 343 00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:24.180 Benji Fisher: And it has the old river of news as as the default term trade. 344 00:49:25.740 --> 00:49:26.130 Aaron McHale: Right. 345 00:49:27.510 --> 00:49:40.890 Aaron McHale: And I think this comes back to the that I think standard ultimately has like an identity crisis going on, like what is it who am I, what do I, why do I exist anymore for the standard even mean like nobody seems to be able to. 346 00:49:42.690 --> 00:49:49.140 Aaron McHale: Let me rephrase that I, it seems like we've got to a standard as phone itself in a position where. 347 00:49:50.160 --> 00:49:58.230 Aaron McHale: it's as it kind of said earlier it's becoming hard to add modules to it, just like enable them, because. 348 00:49:58.530 --> 00:50:07.920 Aaron McHale: I think there's a sense of perfection with standard like we want everything to be really finished polished and perfect before we are there to standards, and this is, this is probably more of like a. 349 00:50:08.340 --> 00:50:19.170 Aaron McHale: Product manager question, but I think it's more valuable to just even if things aren't 100% ready just just get them in there, because people will benefit from that more. 350 00:50:23.520 --> 00:50:24.270 Benji Fisher: of her go ahead. 351 00:50:24.660 --> 00:50:29.670 Ofer Shaal: yeah perhaps this is going to be a different discussion so but I think it is related. 352 00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:43.080 Ofer Shaal: i've seen recently, an article about convert if anyone know it's like helping your create these like amazing designs what you could do with photoshop work that's way more complex in a think. 353 00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:45.060 Ofer Shaal: drupal being. 354 00:50:46.110 --> 00:50:54.600 Ofer Shaal: have the ability to to create anything, and when we mentioned the blog example I wish we had a way to almost like dumb down. 355 00:50:55.140 --> 00:51:08.640 Ofer Shaal: Things and features and show this how easy it is to create a blog like when I hear blog profit that's what i'm thinking like this, how easy it is to do something, but I don't think we found that way, yet of how to help people see. 356 00:51:09.540 --> 00:51:13.560 Ofer Shaal: What can be achieved with drupal before you learn the whole ecosystem. 357 00:51:19.980 --> 00:51:21.540 Benji Fisher: ND asks in the chat. 358 00:51:21.900 --> 00:51:25.830 Benji Fisher: How often do we have to undo decisions made from the standard profile. 359 00:51:27.300 --> 00:51:33.660 Benji Fisher: Aaron brings up briefly rolling back the content editor role, but it was just a technical issue, I was involved in that. 360 00:51:35.340 --> 00:51:43.110 Benji Fisher: And Andy mentioned uninstalling comments module leading tags vocabulary deleting Article content type. 361 00:51:44.940 --> 00:51:56.520 Benji Fisher: Oh, I guess you're talking about when when actually building a site for particular use that we have to remove some configuration from the standard profile. 362 00:51:57.630 --> 00:52:11.520 Benji Fisher: And Tony mentioned sweeting the tags taxonomy monsters Okay, and he confirms that that that is what he's talking about it so it's not fat fat drupal as a project has to undo decisions from a standard module but that. 363 00:52:12.630 --> 00:52:15.720 Benji Fisher: People building sites with drupal have joined do some of those. 364 00:52:17.040 --> 00:52:18.300 Benji Fisher: Some of those decisions. 365 00:52:19.260 --> 00:52:20.760 Cristina Chumillas: I am it's not that. 366 00:52:22.230 --> 00:52:23.460 Cristina Chumillas: The role itself. 367 00:52:23.700 --> 00:52:24.360 Cristina Chumillas: has been. 368 00:52:25.680 --> 00:52:29.610 Cristina Chumillas: drawback you mean the ability to do some of the things. 369 00:52:31.980 --> 00:52:41.220 Benji Fisher: i'm aaron's comment was about the content editor role which was added, and then we had to we had to fix it because of the permissions. 370 00:52:43.350 --> 00:52:44.340 Cristina Chumillas: raleigh's. 371 00:52:44.490 --> 00:52:45.600 Cristina Chumillas: The product is there. 372 00:52:45.930 --> 00:52:50.370 Cristina Chumillas: Yes, Okay, I was like when it happened that. 373 00:52:51.420 --> 00:52:55.770 Aaron McHale: I was, I was just fishing, for example, so no I didn't mean to confuse anything. 374 00:53:04.740 --> 00:53:11.910 Benji Fisher: Okay, so we have 10 or 15 minutes left in the hour i'm Christina you're already. 375 00:53:12.930 --> 00:53:16.200 Benji Fisher: going to be creating a Meta issue. 376 00:53:17.340 --> 00:53:17.610 Benji Fisher: Go ahead. 377 00:53:19.080 --> 00:53:20.370 Cristina Chumillas: No, no yeah go ahead, go ahead. 378 00:53:20.820 --> 00:53:23.850 Benji Fisher: A Meta issue for creating a dashboard is that. 379 00:53:25.380 --> 00:53:25.560 Benji Fisher: What. 380 00:53:27.210 --> 00:53:34.920 Cristina Chumillas: i'm going to create a done added here and I will share that on the on the slack channel when I have that done. 381 00:53:36.030 --> 00:53:37.740 Benji Fisher: um, are there any other follow. 382 00:53:37.740 --> 00:53:39.600 Benji Fisher: ups from this discussion. 383 00:53:41.100 --> 00:53:42.360 Benji Fisher: Any volunteers. 384 00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:46.140 Cristina Chumillas: yeah probably. 385 00:53:47.730 --> 00:53:54.990 Cristina Chumillas: will ask for whoever comes to the book on if they want to help me prepare the bulk and prepare everything so. 386 00:53:56.190 --> 00:54:00.240 Cristina Chumillas: As long as soon as I have the issue, I think we can. 387 00:54:01.530 --> 00:54:04.530 Cristina Chumillas: follow up on the planning wanda on the slack channel. 388 00:54:06.570 --> 00:54:09.000 Benji Fisher: Okay, I can probably. 389 00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:10.740 Benji Fisher: participate in that boss. 390 00:54:12.060 --> 00:54:13.440 Benji Fisher: Oh no more in a week or two. 391 00:54:22.110 --> 00:54:28.140 Cristina Chumillas: Do you want me to because we just have 10 Minutes it looks like nobody else has an issue I can. 392 00:54:30.240 --> 00:54:30.810 Cristina Chumillas: Just. 393 00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:48.540 Cristina Chumillas: explain briefly the idea of this small a manual and you can go in the UK, I will paste that on the on the slack channel, and you can go in there, throwing your ideas or your your thoughts in here later, or we can come up to it later on. 394 00:54:49.110 --> 00:54:50.880 Benji Fisher: yeah go ahead, remember to read the issue number. 395 00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:52.740 Cristina Chumillas: Yes. 396 00:54:53.790 --> 00:54:55.710 Cristina Chumillas: So this is. 397 00:54:56.880 --> 00:55:03.570 Cristina Chumillas: Showing videos issue your donation number is 3203618. 398 00:55:04.980 --> 00:55:09.570 Cristina Chumillas: it's a proposal to create a new content creation menu. 399 00:55:10.710 --> 00:55:14.790 Cristina Chumillas: Right now, on every side. 400 00:55:15.870 --> 00:55:23.460 Cristina Chumillas: You have the toolbar which items by remember it properly it's always. 401 00:55:24.690 --> 00:55:31.320 Cristina Chumillas: Our content that is a link to the content Bo then structure with. 402 00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:44.040 Cristina Chumillas: Right happy to be here with taxonomy content manuals an idea sorry our content manuals create content. 403 00:55:45.150 --> 00:55:50.220 Cristina Chumillas: display while you have a lot of things here, then you have the appearance. 404 00:55:52.620 --> 00:56:01.620 Cristina Chumillas: Which is a standalone link, then you have the extent, which is basically the page or modules the configuration with. 405 00:56:01.710 --> 00:56:14.730 Cristina Chumillas: A lot of things people reports and how, when a user content creator or something similar columns here are doesn't make any sense to have. 406 00:56:15.990 --> 00:56:22.710 Cristina Chumillas: One or two links here one or two links the here in configuration so basically the information architecture doesn't make any sense. 407 00:56:23.910 --> 00:56:25.440 Cristina Chumillas: So um. 408 00:56:26.790 --> 00:56:29.130 Cristina Chumillas: This idea was coming up. 409 00:56:30.300 --> 00:56:38.130 Cristina Chumillas: With this already existing links and most of them together into a new manual. 410 00:56:39.300 --> 00:56:54.810 Cristina Chumillas: Then we went a little bit farther away ah, and was like one year ago, and I might not remember everything, but basically what we've tried is to come up with an organization for that menu which one. 411 00:56:56.100 --> 00:56:57.840 Cristina Chumillas: which will help us. 412 00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:05.370 Cristina Chumillas: decide what goes here, and it will have sub menus in here, and then we had this. 413 00:57:06.540 --> 00:57:13.470 Cristina Chumillas: grouping this grouping here that will be like with things like create tax create menu. 414 00:57:14.580 --> 00:57:19.380 Cristina Chumillas: Create on the truth manuals it goes in here but create content, then. 415 00:57:21.600 --> 00:57:23.310 Cristina Chumillas: Existing content that. 416 00:57:25.590 --> 00:57:31.860 Cristina Chumillas: I have access in the in the I mean struggles that I will have usually. 417 00:57:32.910 --> 00:57:44.700 Cristina Chumillas: Then other stuff how an account this is vertical because we were thinking about having a menu on the left, like the toolbar that are when its. 418 00:57:46.710 --> 00:57:57.750 Cristina Chumillas: place on the left or the Dean, has, for example, then the only thing that made sense to have second level it's closed. 419 00:58:00.030 --> 00:58:02.790 Cristina Chumillas: door the create item in here. 420 00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:13.800 Cristina Chumillas: And then we had a lot of other things like the main manage things and settings will be like have settings or most of the Apps or. 421 00:58:15.210 --> 00:58:30.120 Cristina Chumillas: different things, it could be called settings or advanced or something like that that will be advanced for the user that it's that has this manual and that will be like a box, where you could place a lot of stuff in here and. 422 00:58:32.100 --> 00:58:34.620 Cristina Chumillas: Doc is already yeah this is. 423 00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:41.430 Cristina Chumillas: Something that we spend a lot of time thinking about that So if you want more. 424 00:58:42.660 --> 00:58:47.130 Cristina Chumillas: Information on how we got here here is the document link here. 425 00:58:48.150 --> 00:58:48.900 Cristina Chumillas: and 426 00:58:50.370 --> 00:59:01.290 Cristina Chumillas: I guess our part, so this is focus right now on the idea of the manual itself if it is needed are and how these will be implemented. 427 00:59:01.770 --> 00:59:21.240 Cristina Chumillas: that's a whole new discussion and first we would agree, we should agree on the need of how having this menu, and then we should jump into other discussions, like, for example, how does it live with the toolbar what were the links. 428 00:59:23.130 --> 00:59:31.050 Cristina Chumillas: What are the path for the links are if they follow the toolbar or if they follow this one, so there are a lot of other. 429 00:59:32.580 --> 00:59:39.180 Cristina Chumillas: Technical things that come come here, but basically the idea first is. 430 00:59:42.540 --> 00:59:46.110 Cristina Chumillas: agreeing on the Needle, on of having this manual. 431 00:59:48.210 --> 00:59:50.250 Cristina Chumillas: And i'm gonna shut up on I will let you. 432 00:59:55.170 --> 00:59:55.890 Benji Fisher: Go ahead Aaron. 433 00:59:56.790 --> 01:00:02.970 Aaron McHale: So just to add to that because I think it's relevant there's a related issue to add an. 434 01:00:04.170 --> 01:00:21.510 Aaron McHale: item to the top of the toolbar which has been discussed about putting an easy way I think it's linked to one of the related issues there to make an easy way for adding different pieces of content, whether it's be no words or media or whatever so. 435 01:00:23.040 --> 01:00:25.650 Aaron McHale: that's a that's so related to this. 436 01:00:28.080 --> 01:00:33.360 Aaron McHale: Yes, there's a date third from the bottom in the related issues is the one I was mentioning. 437 01:00:36.630 --> 01:00:39.240 Benji Fisher: and add item to to issue. 438 01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:41.040 Aaron McHale: it's great great name. 439 01:00:49.980 --> 01:00:55.980 Benji Fisher: And that's 2377543. 440 01:00:57.240 --> 01:01:06.480 Aaron McHale: See, I think that one is good to consider this and in in the context of that as well because um you know if we if that gets done then there's one less thing to potentially this many beats. 441 01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:33.390 Benji Fisher: And the issue, I remember it's the first one under referenced by is 1869638 make the menu shown in the administration menu tray configurable and I guess the point of that issue is, is that we have this toolbar and it shows a particular menu. 442 01:01:35.430 --> 01:01:42.180 Benji Fisher: Why not give the site builder the freedom to decide which menu goes into the toolbar. 443 01:01:43.560 --> 01:01:49.020 Benji Fisher: I don't know why that's been installed for so long, I haven't looked at it in a long time. 444 01:01:52.830 --> 01:02:00.570 Aaron McHale: yeah that one got stuck because of some disagreements around this and. 445 01:02:01.740 --> 01:02:02.430 Aaron McHale: The. 446 01:02:04.020 --> 01:02:07.470 Aaron McHale: The sort of scope of what the toolbar module should do. 447 01:02:08.490 --> 01:02:11.100 Aaron McHale: And what it what it's intended purposes. 448 01:02:12.150 --> 01:02:16.020 Aaron McHale: But I think it's really chugging along and making progress. 449 01:02:18.300 --> 01:02:22.890 Benji Fisher: I see, there are some recent comments on it living some from you and Derek. 450 01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:24.120 It. 451 01:02:27.060 --> 01:02:29.820 Benji Fisher: Maybe bring that up at a at a future meeting. 452 01:02:30.600 --> 01:02:33.030 Aaron McHale: I think though that particular issue probably doesn't. 453 01:02:34.140 --> 01:02:46.620 Aaron McHale: Like what we what we really need is a toolbar that can respond to the road somewhere that the user has and I don't think that particular she would get us there because it's just adding up. 454 01:02:47.460 --> 01:02:55.980 Aaron McHale: One piece of configuration right it's not like considering in the context of what particular roles should see on the toolbar. 455 01:03:01.020 --> 01:03:11.850 Benji Fisher: Until you Antonia puts rates in the chat this menu would be a great improvement for editors if I were a content editor I wouldn't understand half of things in the admin menu. 456 01:03:13.410 --> 01:03:13.740 Benji Fisher: Okay. 457 01:03:15.660 --> 01:03:37.380 Cristina Chumillas: yeah I think this one is something that i've heard content strategists on request these for a long time well obviously not content strategies, but a lot of people, but with these I mean there's a lot of people willing that something like that lands in drupal. 458 01:03:39.750 --> 01:03:50.670 Benji Fisher: And thats related to aarons comment about making the toolbar configurable per roll um we are getting close to the end of the hour. 459 01:03:52.770 --> 01:03:53.760 Benji Fisher: Can we. 460 01:03:54.870 --> 01:03:58.440 Benji Fisher: Have any next steps from from these many discussions or. 461 01:03:59.820 --> 01:04:03.360 Benji Fisher: Shall we just plan to discuss them, and perhaps in slack. 462 01:04:08.190 --> 01:04:13.290 Aaron McHale: I think there's some parallels here to how we tackled the content editor rules. 463 01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:22.500 Aaron McHale: Because there's a there's a rest right that we just gets go around in circles trying to decide what items to go in these this menu so. 464 01:04:23.310 --> 01:04:29.100 Aaron McHale: I think we definitely need someone like yourself Christina to really take the lead on on making some decisions, even if we. 465 01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:43.050 Aaron McHale: Even if we have to make some assumptions here, because otherwise I think if we don't have one person champion that's just going to go around in circles and get stuck at at the sort of like idea stage of like Oh, we could have their sites and what about this so. 466 01:04:44.220 --> 01:04:47.370 Aaron McHale: If you're I My suggestion would be if you're having to. 467 01:04:48.420 --> 01:04:51.660 Aaron McHale: Sit out something you're passionate about if you're happy to take the lead on it, I would really. 468 01:04:52.680 --> 01:05:01.380 Aaron McHale: recommend it so that we get so that we actually have at least someone who's you know, making some decisions around this, as I said, even if they're not. 469 01:05:01.860 --> 01:05:11.820 Aaron McHale: Even if we're you know we're making some assumptions I think that's fine because, as I said earlier, i'd rather that we get like things good enough. 470 01:05:11.910 --> 01:05:21.480 Aaron McHale: That we can actually have them in and people benefit from them and have been trying to be perfect and we can always come back and change these things you know and adapt them, especially with something like a menu. 471 01:05:22.170 --> 01:05:24.300 Benji Fisher: Okay, we are at the end of the hour. 472 01:05:25.500 --> 01:05:32.730 Benji Fisher: i'd like to give people a chance drop off just one request for me please do discuss in the slack channel. 473 01:05:34.140 --> 01:05:46.800 Benji Fisher: Meeting time we seem to have a majority, preferring utc and then we have to decide which our utc to schedule future meetings for now we're sticking with. 474 01:05:47.370 --> 01:05:57.210 Benji Fisher: scheduling them in US Eastern time so next week's meeting will be at the same time as this week's meeting for everyone, I think, but let's continue that, especially in slack and please do time. 475 01:05:59.340 --> 01:06:00.360 Benji Fisher: Any other last words. 476 01:06:02.460 --> 01:06:03.240 Cristina Chumillas: Thanks everybody. 477 01:06:05.070 --> 01:06:10.770 Benji Fisher: Thanks all for participating again next week will be at the same time, I think, for everyone. 478 01:06:14.370 --> 01:06:15.000 Benji Fisher: Talk to you then. 479 01:06:16.590 --> 01:06:17.310 Aaron McHale: Thanks everyone. 480 01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:18.270 bye. 481 01:06:19.470 --> 01:06:19.800 Cristina Chumillas: bye.